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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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> China has not been threatening military annexation They've been doing military annexation right now in the South China Sea. > China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. The invasion of Vietnam? The subsidization of industry and pegging their FX? > China doesn't just turn away from international commitments. Abandoning Ukraine despite being a signatory to an agreement that assures their defense? This is not…

Taken as read is the context "in Europe" here - it's a comment about European reaction to China vs America, and none of the above applies to Europe.

China didn't renege on its treaty with Ukraine who is in Europe?

American isn't sanctioning Russia's oil?

China isn't buying Russia's oil?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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There was nothing rude about any of their replies.

"If you are, in fact, a 'technical product manager'" is extremely rude.

It’s hardly rude, let alone “extremely” rude. People who are transgender are straight up told to kill themselves daily on social media by bigots and you’re melting down over someone having the temerity to question some random account’s (ie, you) credentials? Grow some thicker skin.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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"If you are, in fact, a 'technical product manager'" is extremely rude.

It’s hardly rude, let alone “extremely” rude. People who are transgender are straight up told to kill themselves daily on social media by bigots and you’re melting down over someone having the temerity to question some random account’s (ie, you) credentials? Grow some thicker skin.

You think telling someone to stop being rude and then not continuing to engage with them is melting down?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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It’s hardly rude, let alone “extremely” rude. People who are transgender are straight up told to kill themselves daily on social media by bigots and you’re melting down over someone having the temerity to question some random account’s (ie, you) credentials? Grow some thicker skin.

You think telling someone to stop being rude and then not continuing to engage with them is melting down?

I think having the audacity to call “extremely rude” something as benign as barely questioning an anonymous account’s credentials is the definition of melting down.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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You think telling someone to stop being rude and then not continuing to engage with them is melting down?

I think having the audacity to call “extremely rude” something as benign as barely questioning an anonymous account’s credentials is the definition of melting down.

I do not think you believe that. But good luck!

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#666

I am migrating my company to private open source AI and building custom tooling, orchestration, an IDE and harness around it. The commercial labs have show it’s far too risky to build on top of them. With the labs moving into the app layer every interaction with the API related to product development or innovation is data they will steal and use to compete against you by adding those features to their everything apps…

This makes sense but I am not comfortable with the open source picture either. It depends on the use case and long term strategy. If you're handling customer support tickets or something, beyond some capability I can't imagine the ROI would be worth needing the absolute frontier. You are then in a wonderfully lovely place: absolutely full control over the model and inference stack (if you want). But - Plenty of busin…

You’ve been boosting frontier model development for months and talking aloud about escape velocity lmao.

Take your ball and go home

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#667

I am migrating my company to private open source AI and building custom tooling, orchestration, an IDE and harness around it. The commercial labs have show it’s far too risky to build on top of them. With the labs moving into the app layer every interaction with the API related to product development or innovation is data they will steal and use to compete against you by adding those features to their everything apps…

Sounds expensive

It is. But cash expenditures can be modeled in the business economics. But depending on an unrelated party for a core capability is an existential threat. Imagine if every single computer your business runs on could be bricked without notice or a fallback. You’d go bankrupt within a day. That’s the signal this fiasco has sent.

That being said, I am working on a federated / coop model that will allow smaller companies to pool resources.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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This. I have been using anthropic and codex subs, on max. All this changed in June. We are clearly entering an era where we cannot rely on American models. As a solo developer I value reliability over performance. I cannot pay hundred of $, plus a lot of my private time figuring out how to properly use this technology, for it to be taken away within hours. On top of that, the intelligence is being dialed down. Sonet…

the intelligence is being dialed down. Sonet 5 is a living proof of this. Huh? Sonnet 5 is a strict improvement over Sonnet 4.6 at the same price.

The tokenizer is 30% more expensive (it generates 30% more tokens) just they are giving an offer now which will end by end of August. On max effort its way more expensive than Opus and slightly less than fable.

It has also strong guardrails and deliberate reduced training data around cybersecurity. On purpose. If you develop a system and then try to harden it, it will miserably fail.

It’s a neutered model. Pretty sure not what they had in mind, but they have to, since they invested so much VC money in developing it.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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They weren’t rude enough. Your complete apathy towards the many antisocial effects of badly engineered software, caring only about increasing shareholder value, is the reason why modern software not only sucks but actively makes our lives worse to use it.

Interesting. So you believe that I don't think software quality affects the business?

No, you said it yourself, you don't believe software quality matters unless it "impacts the business".

> It's just irrelevant how bad code is unless it impacts the business

So the negative effects of poor code quality are completely irrelevant to you as long as they don't affect the bottom line.

Sorry if you think I'm being rude. I think it's ruder to make peoples lives worse because you only care about profits.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#670

I am migrating my company to private open source AI and building custom tooling, orchestration, an IDE and harness around it. The commercial labs have show it’s far too risky to build on top of them. With the labs moving into the app layer every interaction with the API related to product development or innovation is data they will steal and use to compete against you by adding those features to their everything apps…

This makes sense but I am not comfortable with the open source picture either. It depends on the use case and long term strategy. If you're handling customer support tickets or something, beyond some capability I can't imagine the ROI would be worth needing the absolute frontier. You are then in a wonderfully lovely place: absolutely full control over the model and inference stack (if you want). But - Plenty of busin…

I am not sure I understand your arguments. You seem to be taking both positions. I suspect that is because there are a few confounding variables and diverse needs AI solves and that makes a cohesive analysis hard to reach. I have a clear view that cuts through the complexity, whether you find it useful or persuasive is another matter but I’ll lay it out.

1. All intelligence has value. A Harvard MBA or Stanford CS engineer have value. Haiku has value, Opus has value.

2. Sometimes it makes sense to buy, build or rent capabilities. But lack of ownership of something your business requires to operate is an existential risk which requires ownership.

3. Current OSS models are good enough for substantial automation and productivity gains with the right orchestration and harness. Especially with domain experts in the loop.

4. Frontier models while better, introduce existential risk; so they are a temptation that should be ignored if you care about your business being able to continue to exist.

Let’s invert this conclusion. Imagine you build a workflow around Fable 5 and the workflow going down would harm your business. Well the government has demonstrated ability and willingness to impose a multi day / week / month interruption in your business with no legally required notice, right to appeal or compensation. And further demonstrates a willingness to give preferential access to your competitors.

For these reasons, the only viable path is a model you have on servers you control and can replace if needed. That means cloud providers are fine if you have the model archived somewhere.

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