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4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.
What range of numbers do you believe "a few" represents?
Certainly below 6!
Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
#502The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…
All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…
> All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles.
A Chinese cybersecurity company "360" has announced "Chinas version of Mythos".
Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
#503Earlier quoted context omitted.
All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…
Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU? I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double…
Good idea in theory, but in reality 90% of this 2bn budget would just be swallowed up by the bureaucracy that would surround this.
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No you don't; it's often overkill to use the SOTA models. People want SOTA because it's shiny, but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models.
> but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models. Sure… but which ones? How can you know ahead of time? I just did a “simple” upgrade project where both me and the AI kept tripping over dead code, subtle typos, and difficult-to-trace live versus dead code. Many times I used “Medium” thinking I got bitten, but not every time, and I couldn’t predict when. So “Extra high” it was,…
Right. You hire the developer when you want a developer. But if I am building simple agentic workflows -- glorified automations with a small bit of structured "thinking" - I will sure use the cheapest API that can deliver that task at the speed I want.
I wonder where the market sizes will shake out for these different types of use cases? I am guessing right now 1 is bigger than 2 but not for long (by token volume)?
Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…
Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU? I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double…
> I feel like EU could start a company,
That's not how market-based economies work...
> feed 2bln a year into it and make a compelling almost SOTA model
...and the reason is, if you give a bunch of people €2b a year and tell them "go try and make something", they'll make a ton of paperwork covering their asses and very little actual output.
This is irrespective if those people are European ("european google killer"), American ("cost plus" old US aerospace companies) or Chinese (which is why they do it a little different).
If there are no incentives to really try really hard, they won't do it.
In many high-tech cases in Europe, the formula for "let's subsidise the hell out of research and hope a commercially-viable business comes out" has a really poor track record.
Your second option - and possibly the best bet - is to find an existing company that already showed they're capable, and shower them with money, which is what French are doing with Mistral.
Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
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The reason Anthropic gets away with all of that is that Claude revenues are increasing with no end in sight. People write these entitled rants and silently go back to Anthropic and OpenAI like obedient puppies.
It’s in increasing but they still haven’t gotten into the black. I’m pretty sure nobody has yet, right?
Probably not, but I think the investors care more about users and subscriptions than profits at this point.
Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
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So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.
Oh come on Opus is perfectly good enough for any coding task. You will barely notice when it drops down from Fable.
Why use Fable at all then?
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> I'm the only dev. I simply don't have time for dealing with the code from non-SOTA models. I'm doing all I can to keep this business afloat. It sounds that your business is selling completely agent-coded products. I don't know how long that will be viable, or even if it is right now. In my part of the world, I am completely unable to sell completely agent-coded products, so even a SOTA model is useless. The majorit…
What part of the world is that where you can’t sell agent coded products?
> What part of the world is that where you can’t sell agent coded products?
You can try, but where I am there's literally no point - anything I offer that I bill based on how long my agent will take will be counter-offered by an even cheaper person using the same agent.
I've been through this cycle a few times already. It's pointless.
I sell outcomes, not lines of code. When I can get paid for unlocking revenue or reducing costs, SOTA makes not one bit of difference.
In practice, this means that I now don't even engage with clients who lead with "we want this program written" or "we want this feature added to this code we own". Those types of clients, their expectation is that you'll never need to bill more than the time you used to meet with them and maybe an hour of "labour".
You can, of course, continue as normal, but the expectation from clients now is that code is, for practical purposes, free. I've had one client last year vibe-code a ping program using Claude Code just to "prove" to me that my custom board+design+code for their industrial flow controller could have been done by their AI subscription.
If your business is "selling code", you aren't gonna win. If your business is "selling solutions" then you don't need SOTA anyway.
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#510Wait, will it downgrade to Opus even when using with extra usage? So you pay a hefty amount up to the point where the model needs to do Real Work then it quits?