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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cmiles8 »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

…except until non-US and non-Chinese companies can match performance this (mostly Europe) is just wishful thinking and sand pounding.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by eru »

wongarsu wrote: post #465
eru wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that the fate of billions or even trillions of dollar hinges on millions of dollars of donations.

That is what corruption usually looks like

Yes. And as the saying goes: the scandal is not that you can buy politicians, the scandal is that they are so cheap.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Forgeties79 »

glimshe wrote: post #451
Forgeties79 wrote: post #400

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I feel like I see this comment every few months and yet in between people keep talking about all of the functionality they’re getting out of anthropic’s offerings. It doesn’t seem to me that people are willing to give up the “shackles” as it were and we’re just going to wind up with what we’re fearing here. On top of that, local models are just not turnkey enough for the average person yet (go ahead and drop somebody…

The reason Anthropic gets away with all of that is that Claude revenues are increasing with no end in sight. People write these entitled rants and silently go back to Anthropic and OpenAI like obedient puppies.

It’s in increasing but they still haven’t gotten into the black. I’m pretty sure nobody has yet, right?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

PeterStuer wrote: post #341
Aurornis wrote: post #269

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> The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets. All the individuals and startups I know try different models all of the time, even down to the level of choosing which provider to use based on the task. Bigger companies move slower but only beca…

For real production I find the switching cost is not as trivial as you portray. Even going to a new model version in the same model family, say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application, requires extensive retesting and tweaking of prompts, guardrails and parameters.

if you’re building on LLMs you gotta have an eval and prompt iteration pipeline, and you ought to be evaling every model release — your competitors will do this, and your users will want the latest and greatest (for frontier tasks) and the cheapest/fastest. So you should already be paying this cost anyways. i guess it depends on your team size and scale but not building this muscle seems like not having continuous delivery for regular code or even like not having tests and ci to merge to main.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sometimelurker »

kcb wrote: post #74
dzonga wrote: post #43

Chinese models brought the building down. are export controls the right thing ? Probably not. but the american economy is over-exposed on "A.I" - the capital expenditure, while the Chinese are proving you don't need to spend tons of capital to get close to the frontier. the Chinese have better building capacity & cheaper energy. that means the market has to correct at some point.

You really think China doesn't have massive amounts of capital expenditure related to AI? They're actively bootstrapping an entire chip industry.... https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-prepares-295-billi...

their putting a ton of money into things that will benefit AI work if they work, but chipmaking is important for other reasons too, so if AI (somehow? I doubt) doesn't give enough ROI chips can be used for other things

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by adrianN »

pokot0 wrote: post #449
reacharavindh wrote: post #332

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All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU? I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double…

1% of the budget is a really big number. The EU has a lot than a hundred responsibilities that demand money.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

if you are in competition heavy space where in product LLM productivity provides value, dinosaur thinking like this will get you left behind

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by brazukadev »

naturalmovement wrote: post #122
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #73

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That is part of why downvotes exist. They also exist for personal attacks, off topic tangents, posts that don't make sense, trolling, advertisements, AI generated content, and other such things we don't want to see here. But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use. I personally tried to tell someone that it wasn't, and I got corrected by dang.

> But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use. This made me realize it's a waste of one's time to write thoughtful, informative, educational posts only to have them buried and downvoted by man-children. If we go by empirical evidence alone, it's a more effective use of time making Reddit-quality quips.

if you are writing things to get blessed by votes, your incentive might be in the wrong place to begin with.

As an example, my point that it is fine to downvote for disagreement got a few downvotes. Ironic, no?

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