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Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by Retric »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #22
aand16 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't know about right, but for a while it worked better than "regular" medicine. At least it wouldn't kill you, when the alternative was intensive bloodlettings and purgatives.

> for a while it worked better than "regular" medicine. At least it wouldn't kill you Homeopathy was invented after the discovery of germ theory [1][2]. So not really. And homeopathy has always suffered from an adulteration problem. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

As an idea sure, but not in practice.

Homeopathy was created in 1796, and we still haven’t gotten rid of it.

Meanwhile 65 years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

The maternal mortality rate dropped from 18% to less than 2%, and he published a book of his findings, Etiology, Concept and Prophylaxis of Childbed Fever, in 1861.

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by not_a_bot_4sho »

hyperhello wrote: post #7
harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

Homeopathic medicine is already recommended by 1 out of 1000000000000000000 doctors.

Nice, this comment broke my composure.

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by DrBazza »

OutOfHere wrote: post #12
harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

There is no basis to suggest that any product uses this property of water. As for homeopathy, it isn't one thing. The effects, if any, can vary greatly by the substance and the concentration. Some low-dilution products work and many high-dilution products don't. There is such a thing as excessive dilution. Anyone who is painting a simpler picture of it is almost certainly wrong.

If I add water to a glass of whiskey and dilute it, why don't I get twice as drunk?

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by qsera »

pryce wrote: post #26
harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

Homeopathic medicine is a discredited theoretical explanation for a phenomenon that empirical testing shows does not exist. For 'homeopathy' to be right, it would need the to become 'right' twice - first: new data would need to begin existing, and then second: the homeopathic mechanisms would need to become the most plausible explanation for that data

>empirical testing shows does not exist..

But what are the incentives of those who did those tests? That should be said in the same breath as you say "empirical testing/evidence".

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by qsera »

hyperhello wrote: post #7
harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

Homeopathic medicine is already recommended by 1 out of 1000000000000000000 doctors.

Are those commodity doctors? Or real doctors?

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by qsera »

DrBazza wrote: post #33
OutOfHere wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no basis to suggest that any product uses this property of water. As for homeopathy, it isn't one thing. The effects, if any, can vary greatly by the substance and the concentration. Some low-dilution products work and many high-dilution products don't. There is such a thing as excessive dilution. Anyone who is painting a simpler picture of it is almost certainly wrong.

If I add water to a glass of whiskey and dilute it, why don't I get twice as drunk?

But you can drink a lot more that way and get way more drunk!

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by qsera »

harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

Wait, wouldn't it just be "Oh, science just made a mistake, and that is how it progresses"...

Despite the "consensus" thoroughly "debunking" it conclusively many times...

Also, if it ever happens, I think it would be during course of many decades that all the existing "scientists" can save their faces, and new generations won't care about "Science" being wrong once again, despite all the projections of "certainity" back then..

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by qsera »

vermilingua wrote: post #19
harimau777 wrote: post #6

It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)

You can be sure they’ll start using this paper as “evidence” all the same.

Everyone does that. Not only "they"!

Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water

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Post by jiggawatts »

OutOfHere wrote: post #25
jiggawatts wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homeopathy is very literally the singular concept that more diluted medicine works better. Saying that “less diluted works better” is saying the diametric opposite of what Homeopathic “theory” does!

You're speaking of classical homeopathy, not practical observation. In practice there are many homeopathic products with varying dilutions, many of which have a meaningful amount of the substance, and therefore the distinct possibility of a biological effect.

Sure, but homeopaths would consider the less diluted ones to be the weaker “medicine”!
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