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Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
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Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#12It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)
There is no basis to suggest that any product uses this property of water. As for homeopathy, it isn't one thing. The effects, if any, can vary greatly by the substance and the concentration. Some low-dilution products work and many high-dilution products don't. There is such a thing as excessive dilution. Anyone who is painting a simpler picture of it is almost certainly wrong.
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
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#14Sadly paper is behind paywall. But I question the choosing of the water model to be a 4-site, and why that specific 4-site one (TIP4P) instead of others that have shown to be more accurate such as OPC. Also, there seem to be previous experimental work (https://arxiv.org/abs/1304.2877) showing some evidence that apparently is not even referenced in this new paper. I wonder how does that compare, if at all.
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#15So if liquid water is really a mixture of water and water, is it safe to say that this paper establishes that water is wet?
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#16It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)
There is no basis to suggest that any product uses this property of water. As for homeopathy, it isn't one thing. The effects, if any, can vary greatly by the substance and the concentration. Some low-dilution products work and many high-dilution products don't. There is such a thing as excessive dilution. Anyone who is painting a simpler picture of it is almost certainly wrong.
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Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#17It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)
Don't know about right, but for a while it worked better than "regular" medicine. At least it wouldn't kill you, when the alternative was intensive bloodlettings and purgatives.
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#18Sadly paper is behind paywall. But I question the choosing of the water model to be a 4-site, and why that specific 4-site one (TIP4P) instead of others that have shown to be more accurate such as OPC. Also, there seem to be previous experimental work ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1304.2877 ) showing some evidence that apparently is not even referenced in this new paper. I wonder how does that compare, if at all.
Your linked preprint has been also published in Nature Communications: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3401
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#19It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!)
You can be sure they’ll start using this paper as “evidence” all the same.
Re: Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water
#20So if liquid water is really a mixture of water and water, is it safe to say that this paper establishes that water is wet?
Only if the molecules have a hydration shell