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Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Any competent llm would write a script using opencv to extract the license plates. I did this with Gemini 3, mostly for fun and to test it's capabilities. Teslausb records all dash cam videos and auto syncs it to my nas when in wifi range. Yolo and opencv extracts and does ocr on any defected license plate, and puts it all on a map, along with trip information. Not particularly useful or interesting, and not somethin…

By that logic, all problems are solved by LLMs. If that was true, then there's no reason for any products to exist for anything anymore.

You made this same incorrect claim in another comment. You’re generalizing beyond what others are claiming, without any basis. (This is the logical fallacy known as hasty generalization.)

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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The have been cases of police harassing and stalking people using Flock cameras. Just because it hasn't happened to you personally doesn't mean it's not a real issue.

People are trying to apply a few internet reports to everyone and everything instead of the reality that it rarely happens and is typically a one off thing. Quit applying online things and TV so-called "news" to the world and follow what's happening around you instead.

No. There's a reason that transparency, oversight, and controls are important in government. It allows citizens to detect abuse of power, it allows checks and balances, it improves government decisions, it protects citizens' freedom.

The issue is not that people are being recorded in public, the issue is people are being recorded in public and the data is being correlated nationwide and accessed by government officials without any of the usual controls, oversight, or transparency that necessarily goes with such efforts when government is involved.

Whether you realize it or not, you're arguing for an authoritarian society. Perhaps that's what you want - some people do - but sane people will always resist that kind of behavior, because ultimately it hurts everyone.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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There may be no expectation of privacy in the sense someone may see you and take your picture. There is an expectation you are not constantly tracked everywhere you go by a nationwide surveillance apparatus, that your location is not constantly monitored, indexed and shared. Unless you expect to live in an Orwellian distopia.

And what happens to you? Has something happened to you? Or anyone you know who wasn't involved in something illegal?

Legal does not mean moral, just, or enforced equally.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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> A few decades ago, if a police officer wanted to find the whereabouts of some individual, they would have to do some serious leg work, even with ALPRs, potentially watch many hours of videos, etc. The whole point about ALPRs is that the license plate reading is automatic . Even during the 90s, all a police officer had to do was query a database.

In the US, up until the mid to late 2000s, the majority of ALPRs were mounted on the police cruisers. Even when they moved on to installing them in fixed locations, they had two major limitations: • There were few of them • The databases were managed by the jurisdiction To my exact point, by increasing the number of readers and SaaS-ifying the process to enable jurisdictions to opt-in to information sharing, you have…

Motorola built the first national ALPR database in the mid 2000s. Again, what Flock is doing is decades old. It doesn't even look like you dispute this fact.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Seeing commenters defending privatized mass surveillance tech in 2026 is crazy.

It’s public shared land. I think surveilling this is fine

The problem isn't the surveillance of land; nobody is getting up in arms over someone pointing a camera out of their window to watch their neighborhood street occasionally. The problem is the scale. Flock is running a massive network of cams equipped with ML classification and segmentation algos, running 24/7, to identify and catalog plates, faces, and voices of everyone in view. It's a nation-scale realtime surveillance dragnet, and obviously not what our current legislation on public camera use was written to address.

In my area, I pass by at least five Flock cameras driving to my grocery store, meaning that Flock knows how often I get groceries, who rides along with me, which stores I visit, and how long I spend at each location. They can infer my working hours and routine travel routes. They have the technical capability to analyze the spatial and temporal distribution of my movements, and could "flag" me when I travel at odd hours or to unusual locations if they so chose. I would have no knowledge of or recourse against that invasion of my privacy. Flock is profiting from arbitrage of the mismatch between current laws around camera use in public ("no reasonable expectation of privacy") that, when legislated, did not envision a future where cheap always-connected hardware would enable a single company to blanket the country in ML-enabled camera/microphone turrets. These aren't "just cameras in public", these are full-featured surveillance stations networked to a centralized database and powerful edge compute capability, enabling the systematic tracking of every citizen at a precision that rivals placing GPS tracking bugs on every car (which is typically illegal). And because it's a private company, none of this information is auditable by (or accountable to) the general public that is subjected to the surveillance. In my view, what Flock is doing is deeply unethical and a gross exploitation of both US citizens and the spirit of the law.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.

Having been in Texas last month these cameras are all over your state. I saw them everywhere from the smallest city to houston https://imgur.com/a/P7WxKpU

I'm talking about red light cameras. Texas legislature ruled in 2019 that their photo evidence can't be used in court.

Instead, a cop has to catch you in the act so now everyone runs red lights; I'm not even sure Houston puts cops on the traffic beat.

And eventually you kinda entitle yourself to it too since the first part of your green light was spent waiting for other people to run their red light.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Flock doesn't automatically catch people who killed someone. Red light cameras do catch people who run red lights.

No one in law enforcement is trying to help you. That's not what it's for.

That's why I'd prefer automatic enforcement of the most dangerous, anti-social behaviors instead of requiring an LEO to have to wait around and catch you in the act.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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You’ve been an ‘influencer’ here for 25 years. Why so defensive?

I don't feel defensive but that is kind of a weird question for you in particular to ask, isn't it? (This site has not existed for 25 years.)

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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post #327

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You’ve been an ‘influencer’ here for 25 years. Why so defensive?

I don't feel defensive but that is kind of a weird question for you in particular to ask, isn't it? (This site has not existed for 25 years.)

hmm, ok. kind of odd to put yourself out there for so many years, then be willing to die on this issue, given the political state of things. but, you be you

Edit: I can't respond to your reply, but my original question was why is it so important to you, and you didn't answer. But, I guess I'll go back through your comments to find out. Us 'passive observers' are just trying to figure out who's on which team. Feel free to ignore us. No offense intended

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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post #339

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I don't feel defensive but that is kind of a weird question for you in particular to ask, isn't it? (This site has not existed for 25 years.)

hmm, ok. kind of odd to put yourself out there for so many years, then be willing to die on this issue, given the political state of things. but, you be you Edit: I can't respond to your reply, but my original question was why is it so important to you, and you didn't answer. But, I guess I'll go back through your comments to find out. Us 'passive observers' are just trying to figure out who's on which team. Feel fre…

"Weird that you sound so defensive, given you're willing to die on this issue and ruin your reputation". Do you hear yourself?

What's especially funny about this is that you haven't taken the time to even figure out who I am or where I'm coming from on this issue. It's pure uncut schoolyard behavior. Maybe reflect a bit!

Nobody's reading this thread but us at this point.

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