It's legal for any random citizen to build one of these surveillance networks, right?
Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast
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#122"Security" will be redefined.
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#124It's legal for any random citizen to build one of these surveillance networks, right?
Only in free countries. Many authoritarian regimes don’t let people take pictures in public.
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#125There is no expectation of privacy in public. It's really that simple.
Do you agree with that, or are you just deferring to an overly simplified interpretation of the law?
No law is that simple. You can be photographed when you’re out in public most places, yet stalking is also illegal most places.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes Flock bizarre is that it's a private business, and this is precisely how police departments are getting around a lot of traditional gates and checks on this sort of thing. Police setting up a 1984 monitoring system throughout your city, tracking every car, person, activity -- yields lots of questions, oversight, concerns, debate, challenges, etc. Some private business doing the same, and then letting the s…
“Fascism should rightly be called corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.” - Benito Mussolini
Nah. Fascism only tolerates one power, that being itself. It can emerge from either the state or corporate side, and necessarily subsumes or destroys the other, just as it subsumes or destroys unions, families, friend networks, communications, and anything else that can establish power. That doesn't mean the merger of two of them is the defining feature.
Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast
#127Can anybody find trustworthy stats that these actually reduce crime? All I see are occasional anecdotes about how they were used to find one person one time. Skeptical me seriously doubts this is an effective solution for crime. But maybe that's because this country has a history of being willing to do a million expensive and privacy violating things, and only if it's a punitive measure.
I don't have stats, but most police have made it pretty clear that they're used for investigations that would otherwise have very little to go on. I don't think anyone other than the manufacturers have made claims of cameras reducing crime. You can put all the AI bells and whistles on them, but they're still just cameras. They're a fallback option, not a dragnet. The police are generally reactive to reports of crime,…
If they don't reduce crimes what do they do? Oh right they track inconvenient people
Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast
#128Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.
"Meanwhile in we can't even have Flock cameras to automatically catch people who may have killed someone" Hopefully the absurdity of broad scale surveillance can't be so easily lost in hyperbole
Flock doesn't automatically catch people who killed someone. Red light cameras do catch people who run red lights.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine representatives who did what voters actually wanted. There's probably a name for that. Representative democracy or something. As opposed to corporate representation.
Imagine what I really meant was that in those areas people largely approve of these cameras and it’s the minority that don’t. Now of course your narrative is rude and more entertaining but sadly far from the mark. Saying “that’s not what I paid for” is all fine and dandy but it’s cuts both ways.
> in those areas people largely approve of these cameras
How sure of that are you? I’m thinking it’s mostly a mix of indifference and ignorance. Has anywhere you know of voted specifically on these cameras?
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#130I don't get why any of these devices are still intact...
Are you willing to potentially be prosecuted to make a point that will ultimately come down to, "The cameras you destroyed are replaced with newly purchased units"? The way to beat this isn't vandalism, it's getting them banned from every municipality and county in the country, while fighting at state levels for more bans. It's also silly talk from kids online, just like "Don't vote, burn your local Wal-Mart" is only…
You get to sacrifice your life one or zero times in your life. Surely there are some terminally ill people who would do it?