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Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#101

There is no expectation of privacy in public. It's really that simple.

Actually, the supreme court ruled that police have to get a warrant to view cell tracking data and attach a location tracking device to cars.

Flock is a clever workaround that should be illegal, but before that can happens we can get them removed at the city council level.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#102
post #80

Yeah, I'm not a fan of these things. If they were just ALPRs, I could probably give them a bit of slack -if they tightened up their security-, but all the other stuff they do, makes them pretty much untenable. However: > This makes AI powered cameras like Flock's distinct from traditional surveillance or traffic cams, which require someone to manually look over footage in order to find a specific vehicle or individua…

What LLM can I get and feed hundreds of hours of video into that will give me the position of a specific vehicle alongside when that happened? An LLM isn’t going to help you here, but basic Computer Vision and a SQL database has been a solution _if you have the cameras_. I wrote a license plate reader as a university project using OpenCV almost 20 years ago.

If you were able to write one 20 years ago, I dare say an LLM could whip one up super-fast. Or just search the internet and tell you where to find one.

One of the risks of LLMs is that a lot of tasks go from "an expert could do this easily given a few weeks" to "anyone who thinks to ask an LLM can do this easily and get results the same day"

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#103
post #96

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

Don't we? Crime rates have been dropping for decades. https://usafacts.org/answers/what-is-the-crime-rate-in-the-u... But if the choice is between liberty and safety, then Americans are supposed to choose liberty, that's why America is what it is. Ben Franklin famously said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Exactly. More people die from cars every month in the US than in 9/11. We value our freedom with cars, we should value our privacy to an even greater extent.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#104
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What LLM can I get and feed hundreds of hours of video into that will give me the position of a specific vehicle alongside when that happened? An LLM isn’t going to help you here, but basic Computer Vision and a SQL database has been a solution _if you have the cameras_. I wrote a license plate reader as a university project using OpenCV almost 20 years ago.

If you were able to write one 20 years ago, I dare say an LLM could whip one up super-fast. Or just search the internet and tell you where to find one. One of the risks of LLMs is that a lot of tasks go from "an expert could do this easily given a few weeks" to "anyone who thinks to ask an LLM can do this easily and get results the same day"

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#105
They're also getting banned fast. The city level should be the most accessible government for change.

There's been over 70[1] documented wins.

Don't feel like this is a lost cause, it clearly isn't. If everyone who was going to comment on this thread instead or additionally got involved by going to a city council meeting and explaining the problems to friends/family, many more cities could reject them.

[1] https://deflock.org/council/#wins

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#106

Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.

"Meanwhile in we can't even have Flock cameras to automatically catch people who may have killed someone"

Hopefully the absurdity of broad scale surveillance can't be so easily lost in hyperbole

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were able to write one 20 years ago, I dare say an LLM could whip one up super-fast. Or just search the internet and tell you where to find one. One of the risks of LLMs is that a lot of tasks go from "an expert could do this easily given a few weeks" to "anyone who thinks to ask an LLM can do this easily and get results the same day"

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why wouldn't codex or claude just reach for whatever FOSS https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

#109

Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.

Having been in Texas last month these cameras are all over your state. I saw them everywhere from the smallest city to houston https://imgur.com/a/P7WxKpU

They're all basically turned off by law, just not removed
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