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Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

antonvs wrote: post #296
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #173

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And what happens to you? Has something happened to you? Or anyone you know who wasn't involved in something illegal?

The have been cases of police harassing and stalking people using Flock cameras. Just because it hasn't happened to you personally doesn't mean it's not a real issue.

People are trying to apply a few internet reports to everyone and everything instead of the reality that it rarely happens and is typically a one off thing.

Quit applying online things and TV so-called "news" to the world and follow what's happening around you instead.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by hosteur »

boelboel wrote: post #230
deepsquirrelnet wrote: post #97

Can anybody find trustworthy stats that these actually reduce crime? All I see are occasional anecdotes about how they were used to find one person one time. Skeptical me seriously doubts this is an effective solution for crime. But maybe that's because this country has a history of being willing to do a million expensive and privacy violating things, and only if it's a punitive measure.

I'm not sure about reducing crime but most American police departments have difficulty finding staff. Generally boring job in most places and not really liked in other places (status loss). Speeding things up is one of the ways to deal with it.

> Speeding things up is one of the ways to deal with it.

Making it a well-paid, high status job is another way to deal with it.

Not easy. Not cheap. Involves fixing quite a few incentive structures as well and weeding out corruption... Yeah, I guess you're right, speeding things up a bit at the cost of everyone's privacy and liberties is going to be what they go for.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by afpx »

tptacek wrote: post #254
chaps wrote: post #228

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They're matching specific descriptions of cars to incidents, like, "this vehicle has been present at the site of 5 previous package thefts". You're hand-waving a hell of a lot of things away and you expect that everyone knows what you're talking about. Please stop doing that. - Who is "They"? - Why do you say "nobody has time for that"? What is "that"? - Why are you dismissing genuine concerns through unhelpful langu…

Hey, Chaps! Sorry, I write the way I write. "They" are public bodies operating ALPR devices; in the main, municipal police forces, though obviously other public bodies (like the Illinois State Police) operate them as well. The antecedent of the first "that" was "the use of cameras to detect cars with politically disfavored bumper stickers". I am, yes, dismissing the concern that ALPRs are being used to detect cars wi…

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by tptacek »

afpx wrote: post #313
tptacek wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, Chaps! Sorry, I write the way I write. "They" are public bodies operating ALPR devices; in the main, municipal police forces, though obviously other public bodies (like the Illinois State Police) operate them as well. The antecedent of the first "that" was "the use of cameras to detect cars with politically disfavored bumper stickers". I am, yes, dismissing the concern that ALPRs are being used to detect cars wi…

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Oh, no! My reputation!

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by tptacek »

chaps wrote: post #304
tptacek wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, Chaps! Sorry, I write the way I write. "They" are public bodies operating ALPR devices; in the main, municipal police forces, though obviously other public bodies (like the Illinois State Police) operate them as well. The antecedent of the first "that" was "the use of cameras to detect cars with politically disfavored bumper stickers". I am, yes, dismissing the concern that ALPRs are being used to detect cars wi…

Please actually just look at any audit log and just search yourself. If you think there's no signal, then you clearly haven't looked. If you're going to continue to be lazy in your analysis, then ask a damn LLM. There are 528 agencies who used "suspicious". This is not a bloomingdale problem; it's much larger. Just fucking look, man. select count(*),org_name from flock_bloomingdale where reason = 'suspicious' group b…

You're going to need to tell me why I'm supposed to be freaked out by the word "suspicious". Further, it is not my claim that (1) ALPRs are not problematic or (2) that they don't direly need more regulation; that's exactly the work I was doing in Oak Park before we cancelled our contract.

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Post by nailer »

sarchertech wrote: post #310
nailer wrote: post #298

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It means more people in Miami are likely to be starting businesses than people here in NYC are. I’m surprised you couldn’t come up with a guess about that.

Because that’s such a roundabout way of saying it had a higher startup rate. Why wouldn’t you just say that? Ambitious could mean so many things. Also it’s not relevant. Miami maybe a peer to NYC in 50-100 years, but it’s definitely not today. In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC.

> Ambitious could mean so many things.

It just means ambitious. That, I would have thought fairly obviously, encompasses more startups but also people wanting to better their lives in some way.

> In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC.

Yes. Decline and growth take time. Skate to where the puck is going.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

antonvs wrote: post #293
maccard wrote: post #231

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> One of the risks of LLMs is that a lot of tasks go from "an expert could do this easily given a few weeks" to "anyone who thinks to ask an LLM can do this easily and get results the same day" By that logic, all problems are solved with LLMs, though.

The claim was "a lot of tasks", which is certainly true. It wasn't "all tasks".

This point is moot, though. The claim either implicitly includes the task under discussion or it's a non sequitur.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by tptacek »

afpx wrote: post #319
tptacek wrote: post #314

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Oh, no! My reputation!

I mean as a passive observer it’s a little weird. You’re HN celebrity, aren’t you? It’s definitely an anomaly

I don't believe you know anything about me, but do go on.
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