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Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by deaux »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #127
vcryan wrote: post #38

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We are all people. This ally-of-the-west framing is propaganda. Who has harmed me more: this US or China? Who do I have more in common with: a tech worker in China or a US government official? (I'm based in US - I use the best tech for the task).

WHen push came to shove Trump backed down on Jan 6th / the institutions held their ground. On the other hand Xi is President for Life and absolute autocrat of China. This answers your question in a pretty compelling way.

It doesn't answer their question at all, let alone compellingly. You're pretending to engage while completely refusing to do so.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

yggy wrote: post #61
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #42

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I have yet to see a model that can make a consistent and repeatable powerpoint deck that doesn’t need considerable manual revision Find me someone who is putting raw text in and getting out a usable weekly staff meeting deck that doesn’t require massive revisions

I agree but why is that? Let’s face it - without the humans these machines ain’t shit - aka we have mechanically figured out ways to make machines better than us at certain things (on demand memory) but this idea they are intelligent is horse shit. Btw the bar is low too! Most human created decks are garbage. And yet LLM’s don’t even beat those.

Unfortunately matters of taste like design aren’t as easy to specify

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by valleyer »

addandsubtract wrote: post #137
zzleeper wrote: post #92

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I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian mo…

Why would the model know what "Claude-like" is?

Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by BlaDeKke »

chrsw wrote: post #124
glimshe wrote: post #60

Without reliable benchmarks, they are Mythos-like only in the sense that they accept text as input and produce text as output.

I don't even look at benchmarks anymore. I just try different models as they're released on our large, proprietary, systems software codebases in real, shipping products or projects that will ship eventually. It's pretty clear which models help me do my job better or faster. I'm fortunate enough to have the token budget to use basically as much as I need, for now. No need for benchmarks, evals, marketing, system card…

This is the way. Not that big of budget here. But if there’s something promising, I just try that for a month or so. But even then… at this moment I’m using z.ai models and those do the job. No need for anything else. So I’m staying until there is something new, same affordability, but a lot better. (Using a coding plan)

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by jazzyjackson »

valleyer wrote: post #143
addandsubtract wrote: post #137

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Why would the model know what "Claude-like" is?

Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Still it’s like asking an image generator to produce an image without an elephant. Just tell it what you want.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by ninjalanternshk »

valleyer wrote: post #143
addandsubtract wrote: post #137

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Why would the model know what "Claude-like" is?

Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Yeah this is about the worst way you could imagine to evaluate an AI model.

If you’d given it a real task you’d have been impressed.

I was floored by the day I spent with Fable. Got weeks of work done.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by neumann »

lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

I agree with everything you said about their situation, but it's not like that is what will be evaluated in an IPO. There will be continued hype by the companies, lobbying to win support of a corrupt administration, and a narrative spin by clueless media about this AI revolution that will give investors fomo.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by [deleted] »

khurs wrote: post #110
MostlyStable wrote: post #45

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The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

All of the 11 grok co-founders alongside Elon quit: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/28/elon-musks-last-co-founder... so that will have hampered grok. Like Zuckerberg, top talent may not work with a polarising character if they disagree with his behaviour. Space focused talent don't have many choices aside from SpaceX but ai companies are a plenty and a top AI person can pick and choose.

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