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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by pogue »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #94
kingforaday wrote: post #7

They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model withou…

How do we define "mythos level" exactly outside of marketing buzz? I don't even think the majority of us can access Mythos yet even to make a comparison.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #94
kingforaday wrote: post #7

They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model withou…

https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en

1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper

1 x google researcher

20+ big name investors funding

Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

>I fear their time to IPO may have passed.

They may not get the valuation they want, but as it appears to be on a plateau may be better to offload now?

As per SpaceX, so many big names are involved the media will be controlled to hype it up and the investment banks will forecast 100x revenue in 2 years...

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by hmokiguess »

cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

I experienced the same exact thing, however, I will say that I had misconfigured it on `pi` at first.

I was using its chat endpoint not the responses with tool calling and everything, and I haven't tried it again since, learned that recently and I am planning on giving it another shot.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #85
glimshe wrote: post #60

Without reliable benchmarks, they are Mythos-like only in the sense that they accept text as input and produce text as output.

They provide benchmarks in the paper https:// arxiv.org/abs/2606.21228

Think 'indepenent' was implied when glimshe wrote 'reliable' benchmarks. Needs to be on the usual leaderboards.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

lifeformed wrote: post #43
fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

>Is it actually that hard to make good models

Didn't take DeepSeek long. Or XAI to launch grok.

If they have a top team and the money then appears to be a matter of a year or two? And one startup mentioned is Japanese not Chinese so they won't be banned from buying US tech.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

MostlyStable wrote: post #45
lifeformed wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

All of the 11 grok co-founders alongside Elon quit: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/28/elon-musks-last-co-founder... so that will have hampered grok.

Like Zuckerberg, top talent may not work with a polarising character if they disagree with his behaviour. Space focused talent don't have many choices aside from SpaceX but ai companies are a plenty and a top AI person can pick and choose.

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