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Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

p1esk wrote: post #113
ai_slop_hater wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Mythos like? Asking as someone who never had access to it.

It’s got to be similar to Fable, which I experienced for 3 days, and which impressed me (compared to Opus 3.8)

It is materially better, but I didn’t feel a huge loss when it was yanked. My use case is large complex legacy modernization projects and its ability is definitely better than opus 4.8 at the job. But it’s more like an optimization, I could have a single or 2 pass in fable vs 8-10 with opus to arrive at the same solution.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by esafak »

esikich wrote: post #122
firefoxd wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All American services won't be allowed to provide the models. Huggingface for example. The same way BYDs are illegal in the US.

You wouldn't VPN a car

And your company wouldn't VPN a banned model.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by zobzu »

cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

thata what i usually expect. its all as good as the top 3 u til you try em and then theyre.. just ok at best

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by nonethewiser »

zzleeper wrote: post #92
cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian mo…

If you actually give it an example of the style it can copy it well. even just screenshots of other websites or UIs. It just sucks at producing it itself.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by resonious »

atherton33 wrote: post #125
devcatapult wrote: post #98

The "Mythos-like" talk is getting kinda annoying. Us normal people have no way to compare it outside of looking at benchmarks

"Mythos-like" just means "hyped via hearsay". It's being used correctly here.

It means scores well in common benchmarks.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by resonious »

jsemrau wrote: post #121
khurs wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper 1 x google researcher 20+ big name investors funding Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.

But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.

I live in Japan and yet can't seem to pay for their API in JPY... I bet their enterprise customers don't have that problem but it was pretty annoying given "AI in Japan" appears to be there only selling point.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by addandsubtract »

zzleeper wrote: post #92
cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian mo…

Why would the model know what "Claude-like" is?

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by pranaym »

cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

This is useful info. For the couple of days that Fable was live - it was clearly a step above Opus 4.8 and I was able to get 8-10 prompts in using my $20 plan.
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