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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by jsemrau »

khurs wrote: post #104
UncleOxidant wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model withou…

https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper 1 x google researcher 20+ big name investors funding Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.

But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by Spooky23 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #94
kingforaday wrote: post #7

They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model withou…

Mythos is extreme hype. We are at a combo of authoritarian politicians peddling fear for power and tech bros trying to extract maximum investment returns.

We’re going to have many LLM/toolset combos that do what mythos does.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by chrsw »

glimshe wrote: post #60

Without reliable benchmarks, they are Mythos-like only in the sense that they accept text as input and produce text as output.

I don't even look at benchmarks anymore. I just try different models as they're released on our large, proprietary, systems software codebases in real, shipping products or projects that will ship eventually. It's pretty clear which models help me do my job better or faster. I'm fortunate enough to have the token budget to use basically as much as I need, for now.

No need for benchmarks, evals, marketing, system cards or anything like that. I read the web for tips, practices and release announcements. My colleagues and I share our experiences with each other but beyond that, everything else is just noise.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

vcryan wrote: post #38
visha1v wrote: post #11

asian is bad wording. this is a japanese startup backed by khosla ventures. japan is an ally of west. the title makes it sound like a chinese company did this.

We are all people. This ally-of-the-west framing is propaganda. Who has harmed me more: this US or China? Who do I have more in common with: a tech worker in China or a US government official? (I'm based in US - I use the best tech for the task).

WHen push came to shove Trump backed down on Jan 6th / the institutions held their ground.

On the other hand Xi is President for Life and absolute autocrat of China.

This answers your question in a pretty compelling way.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by [deleted] »

firefoxd wrote: post #95

I'm expecting a ban of "foreign" llms due to "safety concerns" before the year is over. It will have nothing to do with the actual performance. But anthropic has set the bar for mythos-like systems, and whatever meets that loosely defined bar will be unsafe for the public.

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

jsemrau wrote: post #121
khurs wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper 1 x google researcher 20+ big name investors funding Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.

But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.

I think every country/major country at the government level will back any home grown talent in view of USA restrictions.

The models don't need to be as good, just good enough for the task. I am using a Claude Q3 2024 model mostly (Haiku 4.5) at present, and it delivers what I need.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by khurs »

mksreddy wrote: post #16
visha1v wrote: post #11

asian is bad wording. this is a japanese startup backed by khosla ventures. japan is an ally of west. the title makes it sound like a chinese company did this.

The article talks about 1 Chinese and 1 Japanese model.

Should have said East Asia.

As I clicked expecting India from the title (as China are already there and India has so many devs surprising they haven't yet).

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