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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by spwa4 » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:38 PM UTC

big_paps wrote: post #685

sajithdilshan wrote: post #640

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Even if America pushes EU to be like China, they cannot be China. China is one country ruled by one law and in a unified vision. On the other hand EU is a band of 27 countries with different laws, different problems and different priorities. They couldn’t even agree on a response for Ukraine-Russian war and present a unified front and do you think they would present a unified front against Americans?

I think he meant : to be pushed towards China as a partner while moving away from the US.

And ... what will Europe do if America simply ... also moves to use China as a trading partner? Or just drops the EU goods entirely? It'll be unpopular for 1 or 2 years and then the US will be better off. The the EU will have to create 600 billion in new (dollar) revenue per year to compensate. They haven't successfully done that in 20+ years ...

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by surgical_fire » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:46 PM UTC

ElProlactin wrote: post #422

surgical_fire wrote: post #411

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I don't think China is more violent than the US. The US has for like 90% of its history been at war in one form or another, typically killing people abroad. I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.

> I don't think China is more violent than the US. You don't have to because that wasn't an argument I made. Both the US and China have done horrible things to innocent people and are both currently engaged in malicious behavior that is an affront to humanity. > I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium. Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educa…

> Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself.

Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously.

I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway.

> The Great Leap Forward

I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much.

The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.

The US has a very long list of spying and interfering (many times very violently) abroad. That is what I am concerned about, and that was the point I was replying to.

I could say something along the lines of you needing to educate yourself, but I tend to not seed asphalt.

> The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949.

Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.

China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland.

> People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.

In many ways, I am. But that is not what is being discussed here.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:50 PM UTC

someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by graemep » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:52 PM UTC

simmerup wrote: post #647

graemep wrote: post #602

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Empty threat conditional on something that will never happen. Most of the rest of the world is too heavily dependent on US digital services to tax them more heavily. From social media to hyperscaler's clouds the US is dominant and stuff will just stop working if they get taxed. There would be a huge pushback from businesses if their government increased the cost of things like AWS. Edit: edit to say tax more heavily

We're only dependent on American services because we trusted America Trump has ruined that, so now we'll be moving to build our own alternatives

> so now we'll be moving to build our own alternatives

We are taking our time about it and not being consistent. For example some European governments are moving away from US cloud systems, but they are also pushing apps that require American devices to work. There is very little movement of the private sector away from the US so much of the economy economy remains dependent on the US. The end result will be government clouds not dependent on the US, but that can only be used using US controlled devices, and a private sector still just as dependent.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by graemep » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:53 PM UTC

dlahoda wrote: post #669

graemep wrote: post #623

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Sorry, meant tax more heavily. Uk's tax is 2% and limited to advertising and marketplace fees.

You forgot to write ZERO after TWO. 20% VAT to begin with payed with heavily taxed money of mine. Than on top of payed by provider of services to UK gov machine making 10usd sub be 10£ sub.

Irrelevant. VAT is charged on most services and by everyone. Not specific to digital services.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by Schiendelman » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:55 PM UTC

grumple wrote: post #680

basisword wrote: post #672

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>> There’s a bunch of new code, but not anything customers are going to pay more for. This isn't an AI problem, it's a management issue. Why are you getting devs to build things that aren't going to generate revenue?

Do you think the only bottleneck in dev has been the speed of coding? I think it’s obvious that this is not the case. It’s finding product market fit, actually discovering and deciding what must be built, and then selling it. And there’s a deeper economic reality: budgets for software are finite and limited, and already close to maxed for most consumers and businesses. If my customers can only afford $500/month total…

A lot of the bottleneck is product management now. There's always near infinite work in every engineering team's backlog.

Identifying the next few things to improve the product is hard work, with market investigation, competitive analysis, synthesizing user feedback... some of this gets faster with LLMs, certainly.

I think most tech companies haven't figured out how to rebalance product to engineering to ensure engineering teams are doing work that grows the business funnel rather than expending tokens on other work.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by Schiendelman » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 4:58 PM UTC

0000000000100 wrote: post #461

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #433

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My tin foil hat version of myself says it is because the whole thing is a marketing stunt and certain members of the administration are getting kick backs for it.

Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at l…

I can see a limited way this benefits Anthropic. They've been having issues with one or more Chinese companies using Anthropic models' outputs at high scale to train their own models. By restricting Fable and Mythos temporarily and then rolling out to their most important customers first, then requiring identity verification, they may be able to slow that behavior significantly.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by graemep » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 5:03 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #671

graemep wrote: post #606

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That only applies to things Mythos does better than Opus. Mythos is supposedly very good at things such as finding vulnerabilities, but is it better at business tasks? IN the short time I had access to Fable it did not seem noticeably better at things I tried it for (lots of small tasks). Maybe it is better at vibe coding or finding security flaws, but at how much is it sufficiently better to be worth paying the extr…

You're assuming this export restriction won't apply to any future models. The problem is a couple of years from now when the ROW is still on Opus and US workers are on something much better.

Which would force us to use Chinese models instead. It would also increase the incentive for other countries to develop models.

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Post by ElProlactin » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 5:09 PM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #732

ElProlactin wrote: post #422

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> I don't think China is more violent than the US. You don't have to because that wasn't an argument I made. Both the US and China have done horrible things to innocent people and are both currently engaged in malicious behavior that is an affront to humanity. > I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium. Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educa…

> Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously. I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway. > The Great Leap Forward I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much. The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be t…

> The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.

Way to speedrun proof that you're an abhorrent person.

> Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.

> China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland.

So China causing more than a million deaths and displacements when it actually invaded a functionally sovereign state (Tibet) and threatening to invade and seize Taiwan, which has its own democratically-elected government, constitution, currency, central bank, military, etc. "is not your problem" but somehow Trump threatening to invade Greenland is your problem?

Unless you're a Greenlander, by your own standard, you have no legitimate reason to care about the ~57,000 people who live in Greenland. Let China take Taiwan, and let the US have Greenland.

You're a real piece of...work.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by preg_match » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

trimethylpurine wrote: post #619

preg_match wrote: post #206

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Right but at the end of the day how many people died from the Covid vaccine? We all need a healthy dose of reality. Yes the vaccine rollout was not perfect. But 1 million Americans died from Covid. And that’s that, if we can’t even agree on reality then there’s no point in arguing.

No, 1M Americans died with COVID. Not from COVID. I'm quoting the CDC on that. And that's a very different meaning. Anyway, that's counter to the study. And it's counter to the facts after Pfizer's study. Many people died from the vaccine. You can pull the data from the CDC like I did, and like many many others did. It's available as a SQL db. 27% negative outcomes in the study. Lines up pretty well with the CDC data…

Can you link said study, or, like, any study? Or does it mostly just exist in your mind?

Regardless, this idea that the statistics of Covid were fabricated is just baloney. No, 1 million people died FROM COVID. If you have Covid and the have major lung complications and die, then Covid killed you. Right. If someone has, say, ovarian cancer that has spread to the lungs and they die of pneumonia, then they died from ovarian cancer. That’s how that works.

Covid is a somewhat deadly disease, but not too deadly. That much is true. What it is, though, is extremely contagious and a pandemic. That means hundreds of millions of people got covid in America alone. When that many people get sick, yes, the death toll will be very high.

Yes that’s unfortunate. But that’s what happened, that’s why we had the urgency we had, and ignoring the truth won’t change anything about the past.

What we also know is that hundreds of millions of Americans received Covid vaccines. If the death toll was higher from the vaccines like you claim, we would see that, but we just don’t. It’s just plainly untrue. I knew multiple people personally who died from Covid. I did not see anyone, or even hear of anyone, who died from the Covid vaccines. After a certain point we need to employ very basic reasoning skills to analyze what’s going on around us. If something sounds ludicrous, it might just be, and we need to do some napkin math to see if it checks out. What you’re saying just does not stand up to even the most minuscule amount of scrutiny.