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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by watwut »

ben_w wrote: post #517
watwut wrote: post #493

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So, assuming they are moderately sane is "conspiracy theory"? Assuming they are evil unsane and actually believe that crap while doing what they do looks way more like conspiracy theory.

> So, assuming they are moderately sane is "conspiracy theory"? Every time I've met someone who believes a conspiracy theory, they don't realise how not-sane the conspiracy they propose is.* Founding a company on the basis you don't think the others are safe enough, raising capital on that basis, developing methods to improve AI safety, publishing literature about your methods, making open calls for legislation for s…

They raised money on the basis of replacing labor by cheaper AI. Not on the basis of being more safe then nebulous "others". They are not "safe" and do nothing to make world safer or better.

> Founding a company on the basis you don't think the others are safe enough, raising capital on that basis, developing methods to improve AI safety, publishing literature about your methods, making open calls for legislation for safety standards, etc.?

These are marketing claims. Or self-delusion claims.

> Thinking that all the doom-talk from OpenAI and Anthropic is just a PR technique even though they maintained this position continuously starting before they had any money or offices i

Continuing to maintain self-aggrandizing position that makes investors give you money is not proof that you are genuine.

But, if they are genuine, then maybe they should stop trying to make that doom happen as fast as possible. I just dont see how "they are really trying to cause maximal harm to maximum amount of people" is a defense.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

azan_ wrote: post #223
trimethylpurine wrote: post #204

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Seriously? There is only one study that the FDA cited to claim that it was safe and effective submitted by Pfizer. But let me help then. Let's ignore the fact that the head of the FDA was fired and replaced because he refused to say so. Let's just look at the research directly. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Love to hear your input here. Check the math carefully. > "Covid vaccines are very safe a…

Yes, that study shows safety of the vaccine, so what’s your point? Could you actually just say what’s your point? I can’t tell you why you are wrong if you don’t tell me what’s your problem.

27% had a bad reaction to the treatment.

Name another vaccine (pre COVID definition) that has a similar statistical outcome.

Pre-COVID routine vaccines have a 1/500,000 or less negative rate. Hell, even 1/10,000 would be reasonable in an emergency (should be optional at that rate though).

1/3 is not okay. That's far worse than the disease it's supposed to treat.

You need to have horns and a tail to call 1/3 safe. There is no justification for that.

And look what happened as a result. People stopped trusting their govt and vaccines altogether and we have outbreaks of things we never saw in our lifetime.

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Post by msm_ »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #388
jeroenhd wrote: post #164

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I don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more. It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data br…

America can't be trusted since the patriot act - the day I said to myself I'll never visit. And I can't trust my gov to grow some balls and say we will no longer negotiate with a senile old child raping man baby. I can't even trust any company having their workers include or upload my data to a free AI model.

>the day I said to myself I'll never visit

The US is a big and beautiful country. I also dislike contemporary US politics, but don't deny yourself the experience of ever traveling there out of spite.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

retsibsi wrote: post #415
trimethylpurine wrote: post #204

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Seriously? There is only one study that the FDA cited to claim that it was safe and effective submitted by Pfizer. But let me help then. Let's ignore the fact that the head of the FDA was fired and replaced because he refused to say so. Let's just look at the research directly. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Love to hear your input here. Check the math carefully. > "Covid vaccines are very safe a…

If you can't actually say explicitly what your argument is, that is a very strong signal that you don't know what you're talking about and are likely to be wrong. If you claim you don't have time, or it's not your job to educate us... that is an obvious copout, as you have already written hundreds of words and were the one to introduce this topic.

I can't point to anything while HN limits the number of comments we can post.

Now that the waiting period has passed, you can read the study or my other comments to discover that nearly a third of participants in the treatment group had negative outcomes.

It is absolutely my job to educate you, because if I don't you'll force me to take medications that produce exponentially worse outcomes because you refuse to read the study that the manufacturer provided with the treatment.

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Post by morbicer »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #540
dagaci wrote: post #538

So the general public get to bail-out & subsidize Anthropic / and downstream xAI/SpaceX via the State Wallet, but of course with no access.

It's fairly obvious at this point, it's a plutocracy.

Rather cleptocracy. Pedocracy or kakistocracy would also fit.

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Post by masfuerte »

graemep wrote: post #602
pythux wrote: post #571

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It might not be a coincidence that POTUS wrote yesterday on Truth Social that 100% tariffs would be imposed on any country proceeding with taxing US' digital services.

Empty threat conditional on something that will never happen. Most of the rest of the world is too heavily dependent on US digital services to tax them more heavily. From social media to hyperscaler's clouds the US is dominant and stuff will just stop working if they get taxed. There would be a huge pushback from businesses if their government increased the cost of things like AWS. Edit: edit to say tax more heavily

Eh? We already tax them. The UK is not alone in having a digital services tax.

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Post by grumple »

basisword wrote: post #577
grumple wrote: post #574

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Is the rest of the world really that dependent on emerging AI? I don’t think so. The US could cut off all foreign access to AI, nobody would notice.

It would definitely be a problem. A big one. Think of all the multi-national tech companies that have rolled out AI not only to their engineering teams but to their business teams now too. Suddenly your employees in the US can do more and do it quicker than your employees elsewhere. It would be a nightmare to try and manage.

I disagree. I work at a very large international corporation. How much revenue do you think we’ve seen due to AI? I’d guess it’s zero. I know for the groups whose finances I see, it’s zero. Yet costs have gone way up. There’s a bunch of new code, but not anything customers are going to pay more for.

And either way no AI basically puts you back to where we were last year. US employees have always been far more productive, that’s nothing new.

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Post by 2838383838 »

amarant wrote: post #579
2838383838 wrote: post #573

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Hi I'm from Europe and I'm about to start my second business. I don't have friends in high places, and the process is entirely online and takes about an hour to complete followed by 1-5 weeks of waiting for tax approval etc. Pro tip: most American anti-Europe propaganda is propaganda.

I do work in a bureaucracy heavy activity in Europe, and without my friends in high places I'd be shut down. I've had wait times for bureaucracy cut from 2 years to 2 weeks, licenses given after a dinner when official processes were denied, etc. I've never had these problems when trying to start the American branch. Competition yes, having to wine and dine local politicians nephews no

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Post by trimethylpurine »

preg_match wrote: post #206
trimethylpurine wrote: post #138

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Right but at the end of the day how many people died from the Covid vaccine? We all need a healthy dose of reality. Yes the vaccine rollout was not perfect. But 1 million Americans died from Covid. And that’s that, if we can’t even agree on reality then there’s no point in arguing.

No, 1M Americans died with COVID. Not from COVID. I'm quoting the CDC on that. And that's a very different meaning.

Anyway, that's counter to the study.

And it's counter to the facts after Pfizer's study. Many people died from the vaccine. You can pull the data from the CDC like I did, and like many many others did. It's available as a SQL db.

27% negative outcomes in the study. Lines up pretty well with the CDC data.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

defrost wrote: post #226
trimethylpurine wrote: post #183

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Data first. What was that injury rate in Australia, how many of the > 20 million vaccine recipients died or were injured by vaccines. Where are these deaths and injuries greater in magnitude than COVID deaths and injuries? I cannot answer for you or your governments odd notions. Feel free to concentrate on actually making and landing a solid point with peer commenter azan.

Data first. Yes. 27% negative outcomes in Pfizer's own study.

Your turn.

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