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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by _heimdall »

someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

This is far from a new challenge though. Another recent example, China has an advantage on cost of labor and manufacturing, and lack of enforcement of IP rights. They can produce for much cheaper than many other countries but it hasn't led to everyone banning trade with them.

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Post by graemep »

pythux wrote: post #571
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

It might not be a coincidence that POTUS wrote yesterday on Truth Social that 100% tariffs would be imposed on any country proceeding with taxing US' digital services.

Empty threat conditional on something that will never happen.

Most of the rest of the world is too heavily dependent on US digital services to tax them more heavily. From social media to hyperscaler's clouds the US is dominant and stuff will just stop working if they get taxed. There would be a huge pushback from businesses if their government increased the cost of things like AWS.

Edit: edit to say tax more heavily

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by conartist6 »

varenc wrote: post #240
conartist6 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't this materially different in that it creates a kind of class system within the US?

how so? Is it a class system that only Raytheon employees can work on cruise missiles, not the average citizen? (edit: not that these models are equivalent to missiles oc)

I would say this is a fairly equivalent dynamic in action, but it was concentrated to the defense industry. This suggests a future in which every company in the tech industry has "clearance required" or "citizens only" roles for the people who need to be able to use the find-security-problems-bot...

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Post by graemep »

basisword wrote: post #577
grumple wrote: post #574

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Is the rest of the world really that dependent on emerging AI? I don’t think so. The US could cut off all foreign access to AI, nobody would notice.

It would definitely be a problem. A big one. Think of all the multi-national tech companies that have rolled out AI not only to their engineering teams but to their business teams now too. Suddenly your employees in the US can do more and do it quicker than your employees elsewhere. It would be a nightmare to try and manage.

That only applies to things Mythos does better than Opus. Mythos is supposedly very good at things such as finding vulnerabilities, but is it better at business tasks? IN the short time I had access to Fable it did not seem noticeably better at things I tried it for (lots of small tasks).

Maybe it is better at vibe coding or finding security flaws, but at how much is it sufficiently better to be worth paying the extra?

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Post by epolanski »

_heimdall wrote: post #601
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

This is far from a new challenge though. Another recent example, China has an advantage on cost of labor and manufacturing, and lack of enforcement of IP rights. They can produce for much cheaper than many other countries but it hasn't led to everyone banning trade with them.

What part of China has cheap qualified labor?

Skilled engineers nowadays demand between southern and central European prices at the very least.

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Post by msm_ »

2838383838 wrote: post #573
mschuster91 wrote: post #560

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Well, as long as you stick to the rules you can do business in Europe and it can't be taken away from you. As long as you are in the US? No one protects you. Asset forfeiture, arbitrary sanctions, arbitrary tariffs, your employees can get arrested and deported right off the street if they happen to have non-white skin and live in a city under siege by ICE, and if you oppose the regime or just dare to not kiss the rin…

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What? I, and several of my friends, have absolutely started a business. Maybe things are different in some countries (for example, parts of Eastern Europe), but that's not true in general. Europe is big.

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Post by polski-g »

re-thc wrote: post #545
polski-g wrote: post #444

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Lockheed Martin is able to restrict access of their product details to only us citizens. It's not impossible, it's just hard.

> Lockheed Martin is able to restrict access of their product details to only us citizens. The US government has stated that the US is very behind in manufacturing of military equipment vs e.g. China (in terms of scale and speed). So if your example is gimp it then sure it's possible.

Not every government law is wise or good. But it's still the law.

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Post by msm_ »

vachina wrote: post #594
KingMob wrote: post #536

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Uyghurs, Tibet, and Taiwan, for starters. Taiwan in particular could become a conflict if push came to shove. Hard to say. (No nation will go to bat for the Uyghurs or Tibet, though.)

You need to refresh the latest propaganda Codex, those topics are so last decade.

He's not wrong though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-strait_relations#Deterio...

It doesn't change the fact, that as an European I really wish we had a better relationship with China and ditched US and their backward policies. It's OK to point out atrocities made by big empires, they are all guilty anyway.

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