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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by KingMob »

intrasight wrote: post #95
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.

If you have power and are willing to use it, you don't need legal authority, it turns out.

Trump does many things he lacks the legal authority to do.

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Post by dgellow »

Gud wrote: post #524
dgellow wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was, yes. The difference is that if we stop the AI stuff, it stops. There is no external feedback loop that sustain itself. The climate crisis, after we pass some thresholds (and we likely did), that becomes out of human control

There is, because even if “we” stop “they” will continue.

By „we“ I meant humans

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by wyrdcurt »

ElProlactin wrote: post #473
wyrdcurt wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. If you're going to assume other people have ulterior agendas without evidence, you can't be surprised when people make assumptions about you in turn.

> Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. Why don't you specifically point to which of my comments you're referring to? Is it my response to the dubious throwaway account https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288 ? China is increasingly aggressive towards its neighbors, and we don't even have to talk a…

Yes, I was referring to that comment. You knew exactly which one I was talking about without pointing it out specifically, so why should I have bothered?

Now you just dropped five links in an attempt to demonstrate that Chinese aggression is comparable to US aggression, and yet none of those incidents amounted to extrajudicial execution (aka murder), which is what the person with the throwaway account was referencing.

All of it is beside my point anyway, which is that you are making assumptions about people while also asking people not to make assumptions about you.

For all you know, that throwaway account is someone who uses this site for professional development under their real name and does not want their criticism of a vindictive administration tied to them. Instead of considering that, you implied that they are a Chinese troll engaging in bad faith.

I'm inclined to believe that if someone is drawing false equivalencies and needlessly smearing their interlocutors as trolls, they are the one engaging in bad faith.

We are thoroughly off-topic at this point, so let's just end this thread here.

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Post by dansquizsoft »

bluecalm wrote: post #168

Is there any scenario where it's not catastrophic for for the frontier labs? They just got their market cut to a fraction. Investing in new tech is now very risky because even if things work out you might not be able to sell anything. There were already serious doubts about ROI for the frontier labs. If they can only sell to 100 or so entities it's over business wise. What's the endgame here?

It's bad, very bad, for the frontier labs.

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Post by dgellow »

win311fwg wrote: post #523
dgellow wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is an authoritarian ethno nationalist state-capitalist system. They are so far from anything remotely communist. The only thing communist about it is the name of their mono party

> They are so far from anything remotely communist. The only thing communist about it is the name of their mono party They are far from anything remotely communist except by the one and only thing that defines communist? "Communist" has only ever referred to a political party. Are you confusing "communist" with "communism"? The latter has held dual meaning, both referring to a nation under rule by a Communist party a…

You’re the one who seems to be confused. When china liberalized it kept the esthetic of communism, while shifting to a state capitalism system. Communism is about control of means of production. China has adopted a capitalistic economy

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Post by KingMob »

scott01 wrote: post #480
wolvoleo wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this. China's leadership is pretty evil and clearly a danger to the world but not insane.

Can you elaborate?

Uyghurs, Tibet, and Taiwan, for starters. Taiwan in particular could become a conflict if push came to shove. Hard to say. (No nation will go to bat for the Uyghurs or Tibet, though.)

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by Matl »

qtk8 wrote: post #481
0000000000100 wrote: post #461

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Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at l…

It could be that the us govt doesn't want china to execute distillation attacks and narrow the gap.

The framing distillation 'attacks' is a propaganda psyop.
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