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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

California did. All the stores, like Steam, just changed.the word to "rent" or "purchase license" when you're in California. It's a start.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

jamesponddotco wrote: post #82
shepherdjerred wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you get a private tracker?

Personally, I got my first invite by signing up for a seedbox accepted by the tracker. Then I got invites to other trackers from the same group by being a good seeder.

Sounds like how the AvZ network works.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by Finnucane »

Retr0id wrote: post #31
thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

However, you will stop owning that copy the moment the DVD deteriorates to the point of becoming unreadable. Physical media is a good start, but DRM-stripped digital is the ideal.

everything degrades. We live in a world ruled by entropy. Even digital stuff degrades. It has to be stored somewhere, in some form, and there is always a risk of loss. No matter what.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by jrmg »

goblin89 wrote: post #176
jrmg wrote: post #112

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With Apple, you can at least download the media you bought and keep it. Could you do that with these PlayStation store movies?

I have a smart playlist that gets automatically populated with songs in my library that are not available (evidently pulled) on Apple Music anymore, and it is growing with tunes that I like and that are sometimes impossible to find elsewhere. If I had the foresight to get actual copies, I could still listen to them. I don’t think there’s any way to download them, but I didn’t “buy” them via iTunes Store, just streame…

Right, I meant songs you’ve purchased.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by makeitdouble »

basilikum wrote: post #160
makeitdouble wrote: post #98

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> This comparison makes no sense. When you buy a ticket to a concert you fully expect to be allowed access to said concert. If it gets cancelled because this or that studio owns some random right you fully expect to be refunded. You're explaining that while the ticket was a purchase, it had specific limitations and the vendor would follow a specific contract, with specific recourse for people in eligible cases. That'…

> You're explaining that while the ticket was a purchase, it had specific limitations and the vendor would follow a specific contract, with specific recourse for people in eligible cases. You bought a ticket that was advertised as a ticket for a concert and you got that. No one ever claimed or implied you were buying the musicians so they would perform the concert for you whenever you like. When you 'buy' a movie in…

> it is advertised and implied

I'd argue that it is not, especially regarding advertisement.

It could have been an expectation in the early DVD days, but at the time the Playstation Store started providing movies we were already deep into the digital store area, and we'd already had a bunch of "you own nothing" stories.

To my point the Kotaku title goes "_Reminding Us_ Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours", we've been through this many times now.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #9
thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

punishing customers for not using BitTorrent seems like a weird strategy but I’m not an MBA so what do I know

The trick is to punish them more if they do use BitTorrent

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

zarzavat wrote: post #140
knodi123 wrote: post #129

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This is technically true, but not helpful. These online services have buttons that say "rent" and "buy", they don't say "rent for a little while" and "rent for a longer but unknown amount of time". Of course they can go out of business, but the impression they intentionally give to the customer is that if you click "buy", you get access to the movie for as long as the site exists.

If you're the ethical type you can "buy" it on one of these services and then pirate it in order to keep it in perpetuity. If you're the less ethical type you can skip the "buying" step.

Why is it ethical to give $29.98 to a forcefully inserted middleman and $0.01 to a creator? If you're ethical, pirate and then donate.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

makeitdouble wrote: post #98
charles_f wrote: post #95

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> Have you ever bought a ticket to a concert ? This comparison makes no sense. When you buy a ticket to a concert you fully expect to be allowed access to said concert. If it gets cancelled because this or that studio owns some random right you fully expect to be refunded. > I was already renting stuff when video tapes were a thing Good for you. These guys also propose rental with a rent button, and a purchase button…

> This comparison makes no sense. When you buy a ticket to a concert you fully expect to be allowed access to said concert. If it gets cancelled because this or that studio owns some random right you fully expect to be refunded. You're explaining that while the ticket was a purchase, it had specific limitations and the vendor would follow a specific contract, with specific recourse for people in eligible cases. That'…

Why haven't you given me your soul yet? It was in the fine print you agreed to last week.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by somat »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #170
somat wrote: post #142

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There is a good epigram about DRM that goes something like "Asking a computer to not copy things is like asking water to not be wet."

Water isn't "wet" , but has the ability to "wet" other objects. https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/is-water-wet

it's all just silly semantics but even under the highly specific definition in the article I would say water is wet.

the articles definition "a liquid’s ability to maintain contact with a solid surface" Water has this property therefor water is wet.

On the topic of silly semantics, science as a discipline has the tendency to paint itself into linguistic paradoxes where the words does not mean what it means.

An example is "bug" where there is a (sighs) true bug(a very specific type of insect) But the one that really bothers me is Stonehenge. Stonehenge is the origin of the term, it literally means hanging stone. but... they started cataloging other similar circle-of-stone type monuments and calling them henges, a henge got defined to be more specifically a circle of stones with an inner ditch. But Stonehenge has an outer ditch.... So Stonehenge is not a henge... (Sighs again).

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