Still sort of blows my mind that people regularly pay 600+ for new phones, and that's not even considered expensive.
I've only ever bought refurbished or budget ones
Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get frustrated when people draw imaginary Russian connections into projects/products that I like. It often happens with anything “hackerish” or non-mainstream (particularly privacy adjacent things) and has become quite annoying.
being owned by the russian government is more than a trace amount of "imaginary" connection, but since you like it , it doesn't matter. I mean, okay, reality and your vibes not being in agreement is a legit reason to be frustrated. this being done by other people is even rude, I would say
Jolla restructured after the invasion of Ukraine and the founders hold a majority share, minority owners include employees and a Finnish investor. It’s a Finnish company. Hopefully you don’t have a problem with Finns?
GrapheneOS is owned by a Canadian nonprofit foundation. One of the three board members is a Ukrainian national (currently conscripted but still on the board).
Flipper Devices is a Delaware corporation, it indeed started in Russia, but it moved out after the Ukraine war. Ukrainian nationals are on the team. It does not export to Russia.
Just to clear up some common misconceptions.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition. Pick and place…
I don't know anything but I thought it's the opposite of that? I thought pick-and-place machines are like fancier 3D printers, and they can be bought and copied anywhere sufficiently advanced, but low-wage assembly workers are organic AGIs that require multi year culture building and prompt engineering know-hows accumulation to be able to achieve and maintain even usable yield rates and cannot be spun up overnight, e…
Pick a place machines are operated by experts, require supply chain planning to ensure you have the right parts with the right specs, the boards have to be tested, you have to diagnose issues. You have to understand solder bath temperature profiles. You have to have solder baths (large precision controlled vats of molten metal). It’s a complex problem.
Hiring people to put batteries in phones and phones in boxes? Never done that specifically, but other assembly line stuff like that does not require much. Certainly not a multi year culture building process. I used to work for a company that built food gift boxes. When we staffed up for the holiday season, it took about 20 minutes to train new hires. We once added an entire line in a day to make a custom product. I’m not saying that the managers and workers didn’t work hard, but it was not particularly complex work. Most of the difficulty was in finding ways to reduce packing times by a few percentage points.
Put this way: your company have a week to build one of the above processes for 1500 phones a week, and they get a $1mm bonus if they succeed. Do you choose pick and place assembly or battery assembly.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#164No headphone jack? They show a photo of wired earbuds on the product page.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
being owned by the russian government is more than a trace amount of "imaginary" connection, but since you like it , it doesn't matter. I mean, okay, reality and your vibes not being in agreement is a legit reason to be frustrated. this being done by other people is even rude, I would say
Jolla restructured after the invasion of Ukraine and the founders hold a majority share, minority owners include employees and a Finnish investor. It’s a Finnish company. Hopefully you don’t have a problem with Finns? GrapheneOS is owned by a Canadian nonprofit foundation. One of the three board members is a Ukrainian national (currently conscripted but still on the board). Flipper Devices is a Delaware corporation,…
>Jolla restructured after the invasion of Ukraine
that can mean a whole range of different things both in perception and in intention, but even at best it's "russian government currently doesn't control the company". if we speak about the /connection/, it can mean different things.
but the question worth asking -- are the people who took money from the russian government in past are the people I want to give my money to?
>Flipper Devices is a Delaware corporation, it indeed started in Russia, but it moved out after the Ukraine war. Ukrainian nationals are on the team. It does not export to Russia.
believe it or not, but the same goes and I would judge those Ukrainian nationals too.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ehm, a Pixel 9a is currently 349 Euro here (10a 399 Euro). Given that the OS is free, that's only a 19 Euro difference. For a much better camera, much better SoC, much better pretty much everything. Of course, if your goal is to run SailfishOS, there is currently not much of another option.
My phone is a couple of years old at this point. A Pixel 7 was the newest i think. I don't care about cameras, I don't care about specs. All I need is listed. My phone would have a screen time of a few mins per day. I can't stand doing anything on these tiny touch screens or browsing the web on a phone screen.
The Pixel A lineup has always been affordable. Heck, the 4a was even $349 at introduction. The currently start a little higher, but are often around 350 Euro halfway the cycle.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
And way less security, sandboxing is far more limited and the default profile looks pretty much YOLO: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail-permissions/blob/mast... Given how sensitive information most people have on their phones (banking, chats, and whatnot), it's a disaster in the making. The typical answer is "but I'll only use open source apps that I trust". Sandboxing doesn't only protect you against rogue apps…
It's very simple, this is about the threat model. If you are worried about big players profiling you (hard to avoid, high likelihood of happening, low likelihood of damage), then you want Sailfish. If you are worried about apps profiling you (easy to avoid, high likelihood of happening, moderate likelihood of damage), you want Android or iOS. Graphene and Sailfish sit on different points on that spectrum, just like O…
Sorry, this does not make any sense. E.g. vanilla GrapheneOS does not have Google Play services and no analytics from big players at all.
Even if you choose not to install Play Services/Play Store, you will still have access to many more apps than on SailfishOS - from many open source Android apps to proprietary apps that you can download without the Play Store. Plus, with the Linux terminal support in Pixels (note: not all Android phones support this, e.g. Snapdragons don't support privileged virtualization), you can also run Linux desktop apps.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
My phone is a couple of years old at this point. A Pixel 7 was the newest i think. I don't care about cameras, I don't care about specs. All I need is listed. My phone would have a screen time of a few mins per day. I can't stand doing anything on these tiny touch screens or browsing the web on a phone screen.
The Pixel A lineup has always been affordable. Heck, the 4a was even $349 at introduction. The currently start a little higher, but are often around 350 Euro halfway the cycle.
gOS stops supporting a device when its EOL.
A cheaper 6a would be EOL next year.
They also came later vs 6/6Pro
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Pixel A lineup has always been affordable. Heck, the 4a was even $349 at introduction. The currently start a little higher, but are often around 350 Euro halfway the cycle.
gOS stops supporting a device when its EOL. A cheaper 6a would be EOL next year. They also came later vs 6/6Pro
Stops officially supporting - often still gets patches.
6a is a 2022 phone, 7a is $150 on Swappa.
Where are we going with this?
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
gOS stops supporting a device when its EOL. A cheaper 6a would be EOL next year. They also came later vs 6/6Pro
Stops officially supporting - often still gets patches. 6a is a 2022 phone, 7a is $150 on Swappa. Where are we going with this?
No idea you guys make up prices and devices when I made my choices years ago?
All I can give you is my reasoning for picking it. Not giving google my money is always a plus in my book.