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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by ginko »

tormeh wrote: post #122
Retr0id wrote: post #23

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Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

If it has the "security" architecture of Linux (it's really more of a multi-tenant architecture) then that's a complete deal breaker. Wouldn't want it if it was 1000x faster/betterer than Android. Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that.

>Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that.

So you're saying people should only use walled garden closed source OSes? Sounds like tyranny to me.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

g-b-r wrote: post #60
dengolius wrote: post #27

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I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.

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You're accusing them of ties to Russia... based on their names?

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by Retr0id »

ginko wrote: post #151
tormeh wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it has the "security" architecture of Linux (it's really more of a multi-tenant architecture) then that's a complete deal breaker. Wouldn't want it if it was 1000x faster/betterer than Android. Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that.

>Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that. So you're saying people should only use walled garden closed source OSes? Sounds like tyranny to me.

No? AOSP is open source.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by megous »

gf000 wrote: post #128
seba_dos1 wrote: post #79

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> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…

Well, can you take a picture that looks better than what I made 20 years ago on a flip phone? I have a pinephone and try it out year after year.. Well, let's just say that there is so many areas of improvement to make "GNU/linux" run on a mobile device (that sorta includes laptops as well, even though I have done so for years) that we might as well start over from statch. For example one can't just let everything run…

OV5640 will not get better just by aging. You should adjust your expectations.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by written-beyond »

fabrice_d wrote: post #100
bri3d wrote: post #61

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Ahh, thanks for the correction, it's the window manager that's closed (lipstick-jolla-home). Regardless, I will stand by my statement that a fully open-source build of AOSP is significantly more complete and useful than a fully open-source build of Jolla. If we're going to start counting forks, we get to count LineageOS and GrapheneOS for Android, and then the goalposts really move.

A pure AOSP distribution is now lacking a lot of basic apps. Distributions like LineageOS or GrapheneOS fill the gap with their own, but pure AOSP is totally unusable.

Googles been quietly chipping away at AOSP for years. There was a point where AOSP was actually decent, google made sure that wasn't the case for long.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by megous »

VortexLain wrote: post #107
seba_dos1 wrote: post #79

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> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…

Could you please elaborate, which software is usable on mobile Linux except for Firefox? I've seen multiple people using mobile Linux, and they were using Firefox and webapps for everything, no exceptions.

To add to others. You can tell Kimi or whatever these days to write you a GTK4 mobile apps for a lot of pet use cases and it will. The result will also be a few C files and a meson build file, that will build on the phone itself with just gcc/binutils (I run arch linux, so no separate dev packages for deps like gtk, etc. that I need to install). You can install opencode or whatnot on the phone itself, and tell the phone to build you an app, and it will. If you need it changed, you can just ask for the changes on the phone itself and agent will update the app's code and re-build it on the phone itself. It will not need the 30+ GiB monstrosity of whatever Adroid needs to just build a hello world app and a separate computer.

The app will also build and run on your desktop without any/many changes, if you need that.

I got a fairly nice linphone GTK4 phone frontend app this way. So it's not just for toy apps. FOSS/Linux phones are well positioned for this self-building/self-updating prompt based software development, because you don't need separate computer and shitton of SDKs and a permission from the overseer to build/install the apps, and while phone UI is shit for manual programming, it's not at all shit for writing prompts.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

microtonal wrote: post #69
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #48

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My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel. But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.

Ehm, a Pixel 9a is currently 349 Euro here (10a 399 Euro). Given that the OS is free, that's only a 19 Euro difference. For a much better camera, much better SoC, much better pretty much everything. Of course, if your goal is to run SailfishOS, there is currently not much of another option.

My phone is a couple of years old at this point. A Pixel 7 was the newest i think. I don't care about cameras, I don't care about specs. All I need is listed.

My phone would have a screen time of a few mins per day. I can't stand doing anything on these tiny touch screens or browsing the web on a phone screen.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by seba_dos1 »

gf000 wrote: post #128
seba_dos1 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…

Well, can you take a picture that looks better than what I made 20 years ago on a flip phone? I have a pinephone and try it out year after year.. Well, let's just say that there is so many areas of improvement to make "GNU/linux" run on a mobile device (that sorta includes laptops as well, even though I have done so for years) that we might as well start over from statch. For example one can't just let everything run…

I'm pretty sure these look significantly better than what 2006 flip phones were capable of, even after scaling down by Mastodon: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5

Also, I'm perfectly capable of deciding whether I need an application to be running at a given moment myself, I don't need the OS to make dubious decisions for me.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by Muromec »

iamnothere wrote: post #139
Muromec wrote: post #137

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You are trying to be funny, while russian drones fly above my mom's house, so it isn't as good of an answer to give as you may image

I get frustrated when people draw imaginary Russian connections into projects/products that I like. It often happens with anything “hackerish” or non-mainstream (particularly privacy adjacent things) and has become quite annoying.

being owned by the russian government is more than a trace amount of "imaginary" connection, but since you like it, it doesn't matter. I mean, okay, reality and your vibes not being in agreement is a legit reason to be frustrated. this being done by other people is even rude, I would say
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