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Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by bri3d »

mrbn100ful wrote: post #51
bri3d wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

The compositor is open (Lipstick) : https://github.com/sailfishos/lipstick And OSS projet based on the SFOS core exist : https://nemomobile.net/ , https://github.com/nemomobile-ux

Ahh, thanks for the correction, it's the window manager that's closed (lipstick-jolla-home). Regardless, I will stand by my statement that a fully open-source build of AOSP is significantly more complete and useful than a fully open-source build of Jolla.

If we're going to start counting forks, we get to count LineageOS and GrapheneOS for Android, and then the goalposts really move.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by microtonal »

dadoum wrote: post #50
bri3d wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

If I remember correctly a lot of AOSP core apps have been discontinued though.

I think people got too used to bundling by Apple and Google. For most of the core apps there are good and open source alternatives available.

The main point is that AOSP as a system (modulo firmware) is open source and SailfishOS is not. Also, even though Sailfish has an Android compatibility layer (though only for official devices), compatibility is most likely always going to be worse than 'real' Android.

That said, I hope that Jolla Phone becomes a success, more competition is good. Hopefully being funded better will move them to fully open source the base system.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by yeah879846 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #4
WarmWash wrote: post #2

What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?

Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by drnick1 »

sourcegrift wrote: post #37

Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for. In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.

> Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft.

You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by zuzululu »

badgersnake wrote: post #53
dengolius wrote: post #26

Does anyone know when they'll sell their company and product to russia again?

They will sell in Russia when it’s legal to do so, just like every other company.

Are you talking about European companies? There are already many companies in Russia doing extremely well like Korean and Japanese companies

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by microtonal »

ttkari wrote: post #30
Retr0id wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

If what you want is android and you have privacy concerns, GrapheneOS is probably the best you can get. Then again, SailfishOS is a linux with much of the usual linux stuff like userland with bash, coreutils, glibc, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio etc.

And way less security, sandboxing is far more limited and the default profile looks pretty much YOLO:

https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail-permissions/blob/mast...

Given how sensitive information most people have on their phones (banking, chats, and whatnot), it's a disaster in the making.

The typical answer is "but I'll only use open source apps that I trust". Sandboxing doesn't only protect you against rogue apps, it primarily protects you against 0-days in apps that you do trust.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by microtonal »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #48
Retr0id wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel. But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.

Ehm, a Pixel 9a is currently 349 Euro here (10a 399 Euro). Given that the OS is free, that's only a 19 Euro difference. For a much better camera, much better SoC, much better pretty much everything.

Of course, if your goal is to run SailfishOS, there is currently not much of another option.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by microtonal »

drnick1 wrote: post #55
ux266478 wrote: post #40

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/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The…

> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.

Also Play Integrity (if you run sandboxed Google Play Services), but it only passes at the basic level, which is enough for most apps that use Play Integrity.
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