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Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by mrbn100ful »

bri3d wrote: post #47
mrbn100ful wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are (slowly) releasing more and more components https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468... https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/ https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera It's still more open than AOSP

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

The compositor is open (Lipstick) : https://github.com/sailfishos/lipstick

And OSS projet based on the SFOS core exist : https://nemomobile.net/, https://github.com/nemomobile-ux

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by utopiah »

Went from iPhone (with PostMarketOS on PinePhones as tests) to /e/OS on a CMF Nothing installed by Murena to GrapheneOS on 2nd hand Pixel 8.

I'm not advocating any of those specifically but I do recommend you take whatever step you are comfortable with to a saner mobile technology lifestyle.

IMHO it's a worthwhile learning journey that is probably less challenging and more empowering than you can imagine.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by fsfasfd »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #48
Retr0id wrote: post #23

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Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel. But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.

You might be interested in the callback:

https://commodore.net/callback/

It's pretty cool looking! Very optimistic about it.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by drnick1 »

ux266478 wrote: post #40
Retr0id wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The…

> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...]

The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by poetaster »

bilekas wrote: post #22

I like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.

2FA is not an issue. Many, but not all banking apps work fine. I have an android phone for 3 apps which I need about once a month. Daily driving a linux phone since 2016.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by [deleted] »

pimterry wrote: post #35
bilekas wrote: post #22

I like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.

There's a compatibility list at https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... . I think the challenges here exist but the reality is overblown to be honest, the vast majority of banking apps (everything that isn't struck through in that list) work just fine. Fully agree the concern is discouraging adoption though. I would love to see more of a solution here, it seems like purely anti-competitive beh…

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by mrbn100ful »

dadoum wrote: post #50
bri3d wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

If I remember correctly a lot of AOSP core apps have been discontinued though.

Yes and most people don't realize that the current "AOSP" apps are the LineageOS apps.

A true AOPS image is missing most core Apps.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by g-b-r »

dengolius wrote: post #27
Retr0id wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.

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