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Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by axelthegerman »

bilekas wrote: post #22

I like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.

Unfortunately for the foreseeable future you'd need a cheap Android or iOS device for those apps and whatever you want as daily driver.

I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards.

2FA should be easily available on any OS

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by numpad0 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #17
embedding-shape wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.

Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition. Pick and place…

I don't know anything but I thought it's the opposite of that? I thought pick-and-place machines are like fancier 3D printers, and they can be bought and copied anywhere sufficiently advanced, but low-wage assembly workers are organic AGIs that require multi year culture building and prompt engineering know-hows accumulation to be able to achieve and maintain even usable yield rates and cannot be spun up overnight, especially after a workplace was once torn down.

Or am I just spoiled by apparent local regional abundance of cheap roboticists?

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by poetaster »

CiTyBear wrote: post #36

Personal experience with Jolla: I bought their first mobile (still have it somewhere) that would be a "Linux Phone that run android app". Wanted to support it and was ready to expect some bugs but it did not work all. No support at all, most of android app did not work. The OS was not finished that it was already obsolete. And now there are doing it again like the first one never existed. I have zero trust in this co…

I still have my first Jolla from 2016. Still works and got updates till 2 years ago. The android stuff I used was minimal but worked fine except for bluetooth and nfc. I build my own mostly.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by IshKebab »

ux266478 wrote: post #40
Retr0id wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The…

I think he was asking about advantages, not "how is it similar to a Unix system from the 80s?"

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by singpolyma3 »

mrbn100ful wrote: post #24
Tiberium wrote: post #14

Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/

They are (slowly) releasing more and more components https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468... https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/ https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera It's still more open than AOSP

I think you mean less. Since AOSP is fully open?

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by bri3d »

mrbn100ful wrote: post #24
Tiberium wrote: post #14

Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/

They are (slowly) releasing more and more components https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468... https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/ https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera It's still more open than AOSP

> It's still more open than AOSP

I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services.

One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

Retr0id wrote: post #23
Tiberium wrote: post #14

Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel.

But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by poetaster »

Artoooooor wrote: post #39

Another almost good phone without a mini jack :( User-replaceable battery, SD card port, mini jack, touchscreen that works consistently. Do I really ask for that much?

I'm also a bit dissapointed by that, but the community sponsored me a phone and I've been testing usb dongles. They're actually surprisingly good for no money. I think if I was a daily phones user I would probably be using bt.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by dadoum »

bri3d wrote: post #47
mrbn100ful wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are (slowly) releasing more and more components https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468... https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/ https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera It's still more open than AOSP

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

If I remember correctly a lot of AOSP core apps have been discontinued though.
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