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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by charles_f »

makeitdouble wrote: post #98
charles_f wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Have you ever bought a ticket to a concert ? This comparison makes no sense. When you buy a ticket to a concert you fully expect to be allowed access to said concert. If it gets cancelled because this or that studio owns some random right you fully expect to be refunded. > I was already renting stuff when video tapes were a thing Good for you. These guys also propose rental with a rent button, and a purchase button…

> This comparison makes no sense. When you buy a ticket to a concert you fully expect to be allowed access to said concert. If it gets cancelled because this or that studio owns some random right you fully expect to be refunded. You're explaining that while the ticket was a purchase, it had specific limitations and the vendor would follow a specific contract, with specific recourse for people in eligible cases. That'…

"Oh but they didn't read the fine prints so that's on them".

What a great argument.

To people, "buy" when in the context of a movie largely means owning the freaking thing.

> we're past "the button said 'buy'" discussions.

That's normalization of deviance. It's fine if you're fine with that scam, don't come onto people who aren't.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by Manuel_D »

rolph wrote: post #100
Manuel_D wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite clearly explained on the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_file_sharing > In the case of file sharing networks, companies claim that peer-to-peer file sharing enables the violation of their copyrights. File sharing allows any file to be reproduced and redistributed indefinitely. Therefore, the reasoning is that if a copyrighted work is on a file sharing network, whoever uploade…

streaming is downloading, otherwise it wouldnt be visible on your hardware. if you pay for a stream and the distributor downloads it to your buffer, the only thing preventing it from persisting is wrapping the data to contain it in a file structure. if we really want to split hairs, everytime the data is accessed a streams bits are copied into registers, but those bits have no identity beyond 1 or 0 if you dont distr…

The argument is that it doesn't create another copy, so it's more analogous to receiving a broadcast. Like, if a pirate radio station plays copyrighted music, then the mere act of receiving those signals isn't a copyright violation. But recording that broadcast would be.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by zenoprax »

nayuki wrote: post #79

> Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours Wrong, Kotaku. Lots of digital things are ours. Digital files on our personally owned HDDs and SSDs. Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. Digital ISO files on hard drives that are ripped from the aforementioned digital physical DVDs. What you meant to say is, streaming content is not ours - and that is true by definition, because the data is streame…

I think you're playing language games here. What does an "analog virtual thing" look like?

Digital = expressed by discrete bits of encoded digits (1s and 0s). Analog = lossy and necessarily physical

A "digital physical thing" is just a physical thing (disc) with digital things encoded on it.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by platevoltage »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #44
nerdsniper wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jellyfin + Jellyseer + PassThePopcorn has served me and my friends/family well. I pay $50/mo now for a seedbox with 16TB but it serves 20 people. I would self-host for $0/month but my current apartment only has Xfinity, not AT&T and the upload isn’t enough to self-host. It’s less about the money and more about: 1) Having a single place to go for any TV show or movie. I found it very frustrating trying to figure out w…

How did you get a private tracker?

You find someone who is already a member and ask for an invite.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by fluoridation »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #60
smelendez wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly — they should have just offered a lease until the end of the licensing agreement: “Pay $X today and watch this movie as many times as you want through June 2026!”

When this was originally tried under the OG "DIVX" brand name, everybody (including me) threw a fit. Some warned that everything would work that way eventually anyway, and everybody (including me) blew them off.

>Some warned that everything would work that way eventually anyway

Well, they were wrong, weren't they? The way it works now is much worse: what you're purchasing is a license for playback for an indeterminate amount of time, which can be arbitrarily and unilaterally terminated by the provider.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by platevoltage »

nayuki wrote: post #78
nottorp wrote: post #73

I own a playstation. I do not buy digital games, only discs. See the article for why not.

The game discs hold digital data. They're certainly not analog.

Analog is not the opposite of digital in this context. I feel like you knew that though.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by platevoltage »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #51
rachel-ftw wrote: post #29

This is making me mad enough that I’m going to spend my weekend figuring out a media server and pirating movies. If buying isn’t owning, pirating isn’t stealing. Fuck those guys. It’s been 20 years since I’ve pirated shit, but here we are again…

If you're not experienced in media servers, I'd recommend a QNAP NAS and then install either Jellyfin or Emby. (Plex has really gone downhill in the last 10 years imho.) QNAP is terrible for experienced users, but as Baby's First NAS it's absolutely sublime.

Thank you for mentioning Emby. I've been using it for years. It's rarely ever mentioned in the Plex/Jellyfin conversation.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by fluoridation »

zenoprax wrote: post #103
nayuki wrote: post #79

> Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours Wrong, Kotaku. Lots of digital things are ours. Digital files on our personally owned HDDs and SSDs. Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. Digital ISO files on hard drives that are ripped from the aforementioned digital physical DVDs. What you meant to say is, streaming content is not ours - and that is true by definition, because the data is streame…

I think you're playing language games here. What does an "analog virtual thing" look like? Digital = expressed by discrete bits of encoded digits (1s and 0s). Analog = lossy and necessarily physical A "digital physical thing" is just a physical thing (disc) with digital things encoded on it.

>What does an "analog virtual thing" look like?

The image of an apple, stored as an analog signal on a magnetic tape.

>A "digital physical thing" is just a physical thing (disc) with digital things encoded on it.

Correct, a digital physical thing stores digital virtual things, and an analog physical thing stores analog virtual things.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by fluoridation »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #52
dc3k wrote: post #2

it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

That's a big can of worms, since it applies to approximately 100% of all software. You only ever buy a license that allows you to use software, almost never actually buy software.

Copyright law has been playing semantic games with "buy" and "own" for decades. When I buy(1) something, it's mine, and I can do what I want with it. The person whom I buy it from doesn't have the right to rescind my rights over the thing I bought. When I buy(2) a software license, does the seller have the right to claw back the license? If not, then buy(1) and buy(2) are conceptually identical, and there's no difference between buying a license and buying the (copy of the) software. If yes or unknown, then buying(2) is not buying(1), as it does not grant ownership, but something else; not even over the license.

So what kind of transaction is buying(2) something? What do you get in exchange for money? It's clearly not a good, so is it a service? Is continued permission to use the software a service? Then if that service is interrupted the consumer should be entitled to some kind of reimbursement from the provider, right? Because otherwise the provider has an incentive to stop the service.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by pseudohadamard »

gherkinnn wrote: post #32
thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

> If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/playstationed/#tyler-jame...

> PlayStation Store users who bought movies

"PlayStation Store users who bought a limited license to play a movie on approved devices and approved displays, revocable at any moment with no or minimal notice".

There, FTFY.

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