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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

munk-a wrote: post #40
Retr0id wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, you will stop owning that copy the moment the DVD deteriorates to the point of becoming unreadable. Physical media is a good start, but DRM-stripped digital is the ideal.

If you buy a DVD you have the right, in every sane jurisdiction I'm aware of, to rip the movie from the DVD into an iso. You can then discard/recycle the media and retain the digital copy you have the right to view privately in perpetuity. It is a single consumer license though, as is logical, so it's likely illegal for you to continue to watch the ripped iso if you resell the media with the content still on it or re…

You don't have that right on the US. The AHRA is the only law which permits format shifting and it only applies to audio.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by autoexec »

dathinab wrote: post #3
dc3k wrote: post #2

it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date

and this should include musics and similar in games (excluding stuff like sessional content) if you sell a game you should have to have bought a license to use the music (and similar) in the game permanently (for given game sold, new sold revision can change what they contain but only if there isn't deceptive advertisement and it's very clearly labeled that it's a different revision/the content changed!).

Single player games putting out "seasonal content" is kind of obnoxious too though so I wouldn't exclude them all. One example is the Moogle Chocobo Carnival and Assassin's Festival in Final Fantasy XV which players had to work very hard to patch back into the game after it was removed. The limited time Stellar Blade Summer Event wasn't nearly as impressive as the carnival, but it was still a black mark on a game that was otherwise refreshingly free from bullshit.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by [deleted] »

Retr0id wrote: post #57
munk-a wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is like a vibe, man - if you have the ability to output a video stream to an arbitrary display device you can always bypass DRM and it's never been illegal[1] to do so (though publishing approaches to defeat it often is). 1. To my knowledge, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

"bypassing DRM" is explicitly illegal according to DMCA. Don't conflate "unenforce{d,able}" and "legal".

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by adrianwaj »

Devasta wrote: post #55

By not teaching the younger generations the virtues of piracy, millennials have failed them. It'll be all the more critical in years to come when we get more and more AI remastered versions of stuff so even stuff pre-2020 is slop.

I'm more cynical here. I suspect these are films (or many of them at least) are ones "they" don't want you to see... ever. It's censorship, so no remastering.

"due to our content licensing agreements" ..so this is just Sony placating to someone else's demands. The question is who are "they" and why these films? Maybe these films end up being revised with alternate endings or tweaked characters.

If you see these films, what sort of person will you become? Is that someone who is undesirable?

Terminator 2, Rambo 1, Cliffhanger and Total Recall. We can't have that!

It's just a theory.

Are PlayStation users younger than average? That's important to note too.

Also interesting: recently YT removed the ability to see Likes in one's uploaded video list, only views and comment counts. The message could be: "be well-known, but don't be popular" Why?

Yet I think "Sort by Likes" would be a boon for YT creators and that never even existed, with the Likes column even removed a week or two after I suggested it.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by paxys »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #46

I feel these license agreements have to be set up in such a way people that already bought their movies get to keep them, like okay Sony lost the licences and they shouldn't sell it to new customers but existing customers should get to keep their movies. Since companies don't care the government needs to force their hand and put it into law

The problem is that existing customers don't "have" anything. They stream the movie on demand from Sony's servers. And Sony can't keep the movie on their server anymore. The entire delivery model is broken.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by nayuki »

> Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours

Wrong, Kotaku. Lots of digital things are ours. Digital files on our personally owned HDDs and SSDs. Digital movies on DVD and Blu-Ray discs on our shelves. Digital ISO files on hard drives that are ripped from the aforementioned digital physical DVDs.

What you meant to say is, streaming content is not ours - and that is true by definition, because the data is streamed from somewhere else. Someone else can always delete files, take down servers, or go out of business entirely.

The word digital contrasts with analog. Digital and physical are two independent axes - there are digital physical things, digital virtual things, analog physical things, and analog virtual things.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by VohuMana »

Manuel_D wrote: post #64
danpalmer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is on the side of the distributor, not the end recipient.

For streaming yes, but downloads are still copyright infringement on the part of the downloader. An unauthorized copy is being made on the recipient's machine. It's true that copyright holders rarely pursue cases against individuals, and tend to focus on distributors though.

Have there been any cases since the Meta ruling with the books they torrented? If I understood it right they argued and won that they didn’t seed any of the torrents so is fair use and the judge agreed. That case made it seem like as long as you don’t seed/distribute the copyrighted material then it is legal
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