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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

oersted wrote: post #55
tpoacher wrote: post #54

Nice name, "Akrites". Probably not as impressive to a non-Greek, but to a Greek person it creates very strong imagery.

To save others a search: > The akritai (singular akrites) is a term used in the Byzantine Empire in the 9th–11th centuries to denote the frontier soldiers guarding the Empire's eastern border, facing the Muslim states of the Middle East. (Wikipedia) Akron means edge or border, so "frontiersman" or "those of the border". EDIT: Commenters seem upset about the Muslim part, I didn’t mean to imply anything, you cannot jus…

Sigh

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by latexr »

chrinic7294 wrote: post #61
pydry wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defeatism is easy

> Defeatism is easy I prefer easy. If you prefer difficult, more power to you.

> I prefer easy.

Clearly you don’t feel that strongly about it. You know what would’ve been easier than making an account just to post that comment? Not doing that.

Have you also stopped working, paying your bills, showering, eating, interacting with other people? Not doing any of that is easier than doing it.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by zx8080 »

This reads as centralization and control effort. It will only provide the power to control opensource to whoever Akrites is (with the major bigtech including Google).

Thank you very much, but I remember what Google is doing with Android this September (closing third party installs using .apk).

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by doginasuit »

dspillett wrote: post #62
pydry wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defeatism is easy

Which is a large part of why what cryo32 said will come to pass.

Acknowledging the result of defeatism should push us toward a different mindset, not more defeatism. Over the long run, humanity has a pretty good record, carried by the people who refuse to give up.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by amouat »

ninjagoo wrote: post #84

> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. > ... to find, fix, and responsibly disclose vulnerabilities in critical open source softw…

My best understanding from reading this is a) where possible and b) where necessary. This is the Linux Foundation, so it must put OSS and community first, surely.

People talk about contributing financially, but how and to what end? Most projects aren't set up to accept or utilise donations. That said, I would say we should be providing all OSS projects with significant access to AI in order to review their codebases and PRs and hopefully relieve some of the maintenance burden. I know there are some initiatives in this area already.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by asdfaoeu »

ninjagoo wrote: post #84

> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. > ... to find, fix, and responsibly disclose vulnerabilities in critical open source softw…

> one confidential, trusted place to coordinate discovery, remediation, and disclosure

I read this they would build the patches privately (or with maintainers if confidential) and then share amongst their supporters before public release.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by fg137 »

pydry wrote: post #58
cryo32 wrote: post #29

No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Defeatism is easy

Commenting on an Internet forum is what's easy.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by latexr »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #70
cryo32 wrote: post #29

No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Idk I swapped to a Linux-only PC last April and have been steadily shifting over to open source software for basically everything in my life. I haven’t done everything, I doubt I ever will hit 100%, but well over half the stuff I use on a daily basis I have real control over now and can audit. Keep in mind I am not a coder/engineer, I’m just kind of a tourist in that world, so if I can do it it’s clearly very achieva…

> I have real control over now and can audit.

> Keep in mind I am not a coder/engineer

How do you control and audit something you don’t understand? What specific steps are you taking?

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by Fnoord »

tpoacher wrote: post #54

Nice name, "Akrites". Probably not as impressive to a non-Greek, but to a Greek person it creates very strong imagery.

A more recent example would be Mark Carney's Davos speech [1], specifically "middle powers must act together because if we're not at the table, we're on the menu."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney%27s_Davos_speech

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by jdw64 »

justincormack wrote: post #86
jdw64 wrote: post #78

After reading this. I realize how different Asian and Western consciousness really are. My entire technology stack was built on Microsoft's ecosystem, not on open source. This was Microsoft's attempt to expand their base for the corporate hiring market and OS market share. Conversely, open source was a huge barrier for me. When I have a product I've built, I have to get past open source, but accessing open source com…

The corporate environments were here too, most companies used to run on Windows server. 20 years ago companies used to pretend they didnt use Linux, but they were, it was just introduced to places they didnt know about, as it was free so it didnt have to go through purchasing. The rise of the early web in the post dotcom years was the catalyst, Perl, PHP, Linux servers etc. Before mobile, that did bring back propriet…

Gitee in China is certainly robust, but when you think about the sponsorship system, it's closer to an incubation environment for corporate ecosystems. There are a lot of public codes intended for national projects or large enterprise collaborations, so it's actually good for grasping Chinese tech trends. I sometimes find it fascinating how free the Western GitHub system can be.

It really makes me realize just how different cultures and values can be.

Sometimes I feel like I want to be as free as you all are, but I also recognize that my own biases are deeply ingrained. There's a line in Demian that goes, 'The bird fights its way out of the egg.' It makes me strongly feel just how narrow my world really is

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