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We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Defeatism is easy

> Defeatism is easy

I prefer easy.

If you prefer difficult, more power to you.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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post #29

No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Defeatism is easy

Which is a large part of why what cryo32 said will come to pass.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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The most important information is this: > participants will contribute engineering resources If it works out as planned, we will see. Apart from this, I am not overwhelmed by the claim of this project. It favors centralization and corporate circles, exactly the opposite of what the hacker ethics promotes for good reasons.

You can even shorten that. This is some corporate hollo-bollers takes-your-time-and-gives-nothing-in-return fakery-roo. > exactly the opposite of what the hacker ethics promotes for good reasons. Yup. Seems kind of like those zombie plants in the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (the first remake; though the original is also great, but it was more about communism as threat, whereas the first remake added a bit…

Silicon Valley is not as large as it might seem, and knowledge sharing and consortiums and working groups happen a lot.

You can complain about supply chain problems, or you can actually try to work on it. They're trying to work on it.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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This is fear that humans will stop software development. Think about it, the backbone of modern enterprise is open source. What if maintainers just stopped, the free ride big tech has had would be left with the slop the maintainers have to deal with now. Which without checks and balances would introduce vulnerabilities.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commercial entities latch onto useful open-source because it is a successful product they simply cannot compete with.

why would they compete with it when its open?

They wouldn't. But the GPP seemed to be implying that we should be grateful to commercial entities for the existence of those useful open projects, when in fact if the commercial entities had their preferred way the projects would not be (as) open.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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post #29

No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Defeatism is easy

So is taking without giving back.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Nice name, "Akrites". Probably not as impressive to a non-Greek, but to a Greek person it creates very strong imagery.

To save others a search: > The akritai (singular akrites) is a term used in the Byzantine Empire in the 9th–11th centuries to denote the frontier soldiers guarding the Empire's eastern border, facing the Muslim states of the Middle East. (Wikipedia) Akron means edge or border, so "frontiersman" or "those of the border". EDIT: Commenters seem upset about the Muslim part, I didn’t mean to imply anything, you cannot jus…

This is a very simplified and uninformed view of what the Akritai were. The name choice is so wrong, it cannot even be called out as cultural appropriation, because it is far worse than that. LF just stick with languages you understand.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Idk I swapped to a Linux-only PC last April and have been steadily shifting over to open source software for basically everything in my life. I haven’t done everything, I doubt I ever will hit 100%, but well over half the stuff I use on a daily basis I have real control over now and can audit.

Keep in mind I am not a coder/engineer, I’m just kind of a tourist in that world, so if I can do it it’s clearly very achievable for many people.

No reason to throw up your hands in defeat. We don’t need everyone to shift over everything. We just need to make sure there’s always space and demand for open source software to keep it alive.

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