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Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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I already enrolled in this extended update, so I am happy that I get some additional time.

The big issue is that my bios doesn't have a way to switch to what is needed to meet Windows 11 requirements, and I would have to wipe my machine.

I was looking for all these hacks, but I need to use my machine for work so I have to stay on Windows 10 for now.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/420621/number-of-pc-game... https://www.demandsage.com/most-played-games-right-now/ Some of it is unclear about multi-platform splits and mobile gaming but I don’t think I’m incredibly far off. Gamers across all platform estimated at over 3 billion: https://explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers

Half the world's population is easily too young or too old or too poor or too rich to be gamers. So that 3 billion stat alone shows me people love just counting any moments spent in a video game at all for who knows what reason on any super bad quality 'game' as gamers.

Anyone with a smartphone can be a gamer.

I think my mom playing Wordle on her smartphone does indeed make her a gamer.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Not sure why you’re being so bitter toward me in particular. I don’t personally own a monitor capable of HDR but if I had one I would prioritize it a little more, and in my case, I migrated to Linux to resolve specific graphics driver problems. Getting my games to work at all was more important than HDR. I also recognize that laptops are generally more popular than desktops and OLED is far more common in that form fa…

I'm just greatly annoyed that a conversation that could've been about understanding and learning was (at least attempted to be) hijacked/derailed by some ego/identity stuff. Letting people get away with that has led to the unpleasant state of the internet we have now and mild correction simply doesn't work. Hence I've pointed at the exact holes/fault lines. Nothing personal. I wish you a lot of fun gaming on linux.

At the risk of me sounding obtuse, I don’t see where ego or identity came into this conversation. I’m merely pointing out reasons why someone would choose Windows 11 over 10 and that I think the number of people who do that and play games on Windows is significant.

It seems like you’ve been mostly focused on proving me wrong and that’s why the conversation didn’t go the way you wanted it to go. I actually even agreed with you about some stuff, like the fact that most gamers don’t have cutting edge hardware.

I suggest that there are ways in which you contributed to the negative aspects of this interaction. Conversations are a two way street!

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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The printer thing seems pretty unrelated, and I don’t think there’s much evidence that simply logging in to your system with your Microsoft account has anything to do with telemetry of the actual content of your computer. You can obviously send a lot of personal data through Microsoft services that use that account, but merely logging in that way doesn’t seem to just upload your life to Microsoft, either.

> The printer thing seems pretty unrelated It's a simple example of how the arcane telemetry they demand is actually far more dangerous to you than it first appears. This is incredibly common when it comes to security and privacy issues, where it's not immediately obvious how things can be abused. (The truly obvious things tend to get fixed, after all.) > I don’t think [...] your Microsoft account has anything to do…

I appreciate the fact that you sent over a very good paper.

After reading it, I am still not sure I see how this is particularly alarming information. I can see how it would help a forensic investigator who has physical access to the device.

The most personal aspect seems to be the list of installed and removed programs, which I would agree is stepping across boundaries of privacy.

The paper notes that this whole studied telemetry package is part of the telemetry service you can opt out of.

The rest seems to be device identifiers and connected devices. They mention that the device identifiers could lead to having part of an encryption key but that part of the paper seemed really vague. My takeaway from that section was that maybe it could lead an investigator to knowing which specific piece of hardware to use in order to decrypt something, but they’d likely need physical access to that hardware.

I get the impression is that the intent here is for an IT department or Windows developers to be able to respond to cyberattacks and deal with malware and the like. The paper you linked made that aspect pretty clear.

The printer thing is a good example, but again, just too unrelated to this particular subject. At least, in my opinion.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Very untrue for gaming in particular. For example, if you have an OLED or mini-LED monitor, you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR. And sure, you can say “well nobody has an OLED monitor,” but I’d remind everyone that OLED displays have been pretty much standard on every gaming laptop mid-range and higher for a decent amount of time now. A lot of the focus for Windows 11 development has been ga…

>you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR My HDR monitor is connected to my Windows 10 machine and the HDR switch in settings is on and my monitor reports it is getting HDR What am I supposedly missing?

Lemme guess...

A shinier notepad with builtin AI.

Ads, more ads.

A BSOD that's got 99% more black.

The "recall" spyware.

Mandatory Microslop account.

I could go on, but I use Linux

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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except they are extending it now for free

My guess would be because too many users held out with Win10, are not really a potential income stream, and MS would rather keep them MS customers than Linux or Mac (their next machine might be a Neo rather than Win11 these days). The cost to Microsoft is essentially zero if they ate already committed to these security updates (and they are, at least for the LTSC branch and some government contracts)

They could actually profit from hoovering up your data. Hence the microslop account requirement.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Very untrue for gaming in particular. For example, if you have an OLED or mini-LED monitor, you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR. And sure, you can say “well nobody has an OLED monitor,” but I’d remind everyone that OLED displays have been pretty much standard on every gaming laptop mid-range and higher for a decent amount of time now. A lot of the focus for Windows 11 development has been ga…

>you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR My HDR monitor is connected to my Windows 10 machine and the HDR switch in settings is on and my monitor reports it is getting HDR What am I supposedly missing?

It has per-app HDR profiles, auto-HDR, content-only HDR (e.g. you want to watch an HDR video but don’t want your desktop to be HDR), and, on a related topic, better handling of VRR and windowed full screen.

Not that Windows 10 is wildly deficient in these areas, but it has a lot of improvements with display settings and capabilities in general. In my experience with the Windows 11 display settings, it’s an overall big improvement, and I do kind of miss it now that I’m on Linux (e.g., setting up virtual displays with Apollo streaming so that client game stream devices have their own separate display settings per-device was a breeze thanks to the excellent way Windows handles and configures unique sets of attached displays.)

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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>you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR My HDR monitor is connected to my Windows 10 machine and the HDR switch in settings is on and my monitor reports it is getting HDR What am I supposedly missing?

It has per-app HDR profiles, auto-HDR, content-only HDR (e.g. you want to watch an HDR video but don’t want your desktop to be HDR), and, on a related topic, better handling of VRR and windowed full screen. Not that Windows 10 is wildly deficient in these areas, but it has a lot of improvements with display settings and capabilities in general. In my experience with the Windows 11 display settings, it’s an overall bi…

Interesting.

Unlike high refresh rates, 1440p resolution, and variable refresh rates that all were so clearly steps above my previous, 60hz basic HD display that I regretted not being an early adopter, HDR has been an immense letdown.

I can't even tell if it's on or not, even while my monitor and GPU assure me it is. As far as I can tell, the most obvious feature was shabbier looking colors, because they are de-saturated for some reason.

I played with the settings tab shared here[0], but the stupid "Brightness" slider is not obvious at all. Is bright good? Is bright bad? WTF?

That post has some other things to look into though, maybe I need a calibrated color profile? Will that get me colors that actually look better than an SDR display? Who knows.... It doesn't make any sense to me that improved brightness space should somehow result in less saturated colors...

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1h30brf/finall...

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Anyone who still needs to run Windows 10 for whatever reason should switch over to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2) which will continue to receive security updates up through 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/rel...

Terrible, almost consultant-level advice - particularly on a thread about how the actual Windows 10 release is getting extended support until 2027. The IoT release is missing a ton of installed things, such as Microsoft Store Login (needed for Microsoft apps). If you want security updates, stay on your existing OS instead of using one designed for a totally different purpose, and Microsoft will continue to push out the date...

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

#180

Windows 10 for me until new games won't run on it

New games run really well on Linux. At this point, I don't even check. If it's an online competitive game, I can't play it. Otherwise, it almost certainly will work on Arch Linux
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