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Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by hypfer »

Grombobulous wrote: post #146
Ferret7446 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non gamers who need a PC (most people are mobile only now) can probably use Linux at this point.

I am a gamer who uses Linux! Gaming on Linux is lovely. I actually left Windows to fix driver stability, which worked and did the trick. I couldn’t play Indiana Jones without crashing. I should have maybe been more clear (grandparent to your comment) that I didn’t mean to be out defending Windows or anything like that. I migrated away from Windows this year. I just find that the arguments for sticking to Windows 10 a…

So you're saying the cutting edge HDR features(?) in windows 11 are not all that important to you personally and thus do not warrant windows 11 usage?

Makes sense, yeah. Nice talking to you.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by okanat »

nitrat3 wrote: post #136

Does windows have any other lockin then one click .exe running? Is there any other reason people choose to use it over linux? Stability is basically same too..

Forget about web development. All profession-specific software except web and app programming still runs best on Windows. Engineering, simulation, city planning, accounting, complex management, supply chain optimization, media production, statistics. If you're getting paid for some output where computers play an extra-boost tool role, simply being a means to the job, the software you'd use will be on Windows.

If a piece of software is specialized enough that people maintain it for decades, if it has nice detailed and complicated GUIs to handle complex tasks, it will be on Windows. It will rely on Windows' stable API. Those software goes back to 80s and 90s. They have organically grown. Linux kernel requires thousands of developers to keep alive. Linux kernel is much simpler than profession-specific software. Windows Stable ABI allows much fewer people (low 100s) to maintain much more complex software than the kernel.

Even without the stable ABI, Linux is hostile to the closed source software unless that software is served via a TCP socket.

Web can challenge this with Web Assembly and some combination of edge / datacenter computing now. Still quite the way out for demanding things like local simulation and CAD/CAM. There should also be strong economic reasons to throw actually trillions (unlike AI and other SV bullshit balloons) worth of software and entire systems out, not just to spite MS.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by throwawaytea »

Grombobulous wrote: post #129
hypfer wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people are in fact not gamers. Like.. at all. And even those that are probably don't own an OLED or mini-LED monitor. Most people just want a computer that does the word, the chrome and that's about it.

There are over 900 million PC gamers in the world. PCs have 43% marketshare in the total game console market. Yes, that includes marketshare against the Nintendo Switch. There’s a bit of a bubble of non-gaming in this forum, but gaming is definitely a top use case for PCs. Just walk into your local Best Buy in the laptop section and count up how many of the laptops are marketed as gaming systems. That should give you…

Calling 1 in 7 people on Earth a gamer is a stretch, unless we're calling preloaded trivial game players, gamers.. and even then I'm not sure.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by throwawaytea »

trashface wrote: post #106

The updates themselves can be a driver of new Win 11 computer purchases. My dad got a bad update (I couldn't figure out which one) which froze his computer a few minutes after boot. I had to reset Windows, and it worked again after that, though now the pain is mine because I have to reinstall/reconfig all his stuff. But a normal person without a free tech-support guy like me around might have just bought a new PC at…

Funny story, my parents also bought a new windows 11 laptop because of random trouble on their older windows 10 laptop. Used only for a media PC to HDMI out to the living room tv. They control it via wireless mouse and keyboard from the sofa.

The new windows 11 laptop was slower, weirder, and got stuck on some update. So back to Costco it went after 75 days of the 90 day return Policy.

I installed Linux Mint Mate on the old windows 10 laptop and they're happy.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Grombobulous »

throwawaytea wrote: post #153
Grombobulous wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are over 900 million PC gamers in the world. PCs have 43% marketshare in the total game console market. Yes, that includes marketshare against the Nintendo Switch. There’s a bit of a bubble of non-gaming in this forum, but gaming is definitely a top use case for PCs. Just walk into your local Best Buy in the laptop section and count up how many of the laptops are marketed as gaming systems. That should give you…

Calling 1 in 7 people on Earth a gamer is a stretch, unless we're calling preloaded trivial game players, gamers.. and even then I'm not sure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/420621/number-of-pc-game...

https://www.demandsage.com/most-played-games-right-now/

Some of it is unclear about multi-platform splits and mobile gaming but I don’t think I’m incredibly far off.

Gamers across all platform estimated at over 3 billion: https://explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by senfiaj »

martinjc wrote: post #150
senfiaj wrote: post #140

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Well, they might still do it but less aggressively. For example, only when using MS Store or only some specific services. Apple uses a similar strategy with MacOS. Online accounts can also be convenient with with service integrations, provided they are optional. Also, I slightly disagree that average users don't care at all. Even setting aside ideological reasons, mandatory online accounts are terrible if there is no…

To download apps on an iphone, you need an apple id. This is just something every apple user has accepted since its inception. I would also be surprised if the majority of macOS/OSX users didn't have an apple id/icloud account. This is not a new concept. What's new is that microsoft is enforcing it. But making it less obvious on how to disable the requirement when you install the OS. Or in most cases require hacks to…

>> To download apps on an iphone, you need an apple id.

iOS is worse than MacOS. I was only talking about MacOS.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Terr_ »

Grombobulous wrote: post #119
gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm. Lt sure why this is down voted. ICE showed up at a woman's door trying to force her to take down a benign social media post. What is stopping similar authoritarians from cracking down using these kind of features and registrations? https://newrepublic.com/post/212340/ice-poll-worker-election...

The printer thing seems pretty unrelated, and I don’t think there’s much evidence that simply logging in to your system with your Microsoft account has anything to do with telemetry of the actual content of your computer. You can obviously send a lot of personal data through Microsoft services that use that account, but merely logging in that way doesn’t seem to just upload your life to Microsoft, either.

> The printer thing seems pretty unrelated

It's a simple example of how the arcane telemetry they demand is actually far more dangerous to you than it first appears.

This is incredibly common when it comes to security and privacy issues, where it's not immediately obvious how things can be abused. (The truly obvious things tend to get fixed, after all.)

> I don’t think [...] your Microsoft account has anything to do with telemetry

My brother in tech, I think you're blinding yourself out of forlorn hope here.

Microsoft has spent over a decade increasing the mandatory "telemetry", which contains a complete profile all your computer hardware with serial numbers plus all the software you run and when you run it [0]. The same company has consistently made it harder and harder for anyone to not sign up for an account in order to even install the OS.

They already collect the data in a very deliberate and strategic way. What you ought to be seeking is evidence they don't keep it.

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.12506

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Grombobulous »

hypfer wrote: post #151
Grombobulous wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a gamer who uses Linux! Gaming on Linux is lovely. I actually left Windows to fix driver stability, which worked and did the trick. I couldn’t play Indiana Jones without crashing. I should have maybe been more clear (grandparent to your comment) that I didn’t mean to be out defending Windows or anything like that. I migrated away from Windows this year. I just find that the arguments for sticking to Windows 10 a…

So you're saying the cutting edge HDR features(?) in windows 11 are not all that important to you personally and thus do not warrant windows 11 usage? Makes sense, yeah. Nice talking to you.

Not sure why you’re being so bitter toward me in particular.

I don’t personally own a monitor capable of HDR but if I had one I would prioritize it a little more, and in my case, I migrated to Linux to resolve specific graphics driver problems. Getting my games to work at all was more important than HDR.

I also recognize that laptops are generally more popular than desktops and OLED is far more common in that form factor. So when I talked about what gamers in general should prioritize regarding running windows 10 versus 11, I figure that many of them have laptops that therefore have OLED monitors capable of HDR.

Also, I was only using HDR as a single example of the gaming enhancements that Windows 11 has, we don’t have to dwell on that one in particular. We could talk about support for enhanced polling rate mice, or better windowed fullscreen, or better VRR.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by throwawaytea »

Grombobulous wrote: post #155
throwawaytea wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling 1 in 7 people on Earth a gamer is a stretch, unless we're calling preloaded trivial game players, gamers.. and even then I'm not sure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/420621/number-of-pc-game... https://www.demandsage.com/most-played-games-right-now/ Some of it is unclear about multi-platform splits and mobile gaming but I don’t think I’m incredibly far off. Gamers across all platform estimated at over 3 billion: https://explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers

Half the world's population is easily too young or too old or too poor or too rich to be gamers. So that 3 billion stat alone shows me people love just counting any moments spent in a video game at all for who knows what reason on any super bad quality 'game' as gamers.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #133
mawadev wrote: post #11

What even is Microsoft's strategy? Windows 11 requiring TPM, Secure Boot and being all react wasn't great. Now we have a hardware shortage and ai in everything. I miss the time when it was "My computer" and not "This PC". I just hope they keep Windows 10 around till 2030 and longer...

Old versions of Windows always fell out of support. Some old versions of windows also had newer hardware requirements (95 dropped support for 16 bit systems, Vista required a DirectX9 GPU). There's nothing really new here.

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