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Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by mkl »

nosioptar wrote: post #34
mawadev wrote: post #11

What even is Microsoft's strategy? Windows 11 requiring TPM, Secure Boot and being all react wasn't great. Now we have a hardware shortage and ai in everything. I miss the time when it was "My computer" and not "This PC". I just hope they keep Windows 10 around till 2030 and longer...

I assume they're secretly trying to get people over to Mageia. The people I've switched from windows to Mageia since win11 all love it. (As great as Mageia is, it does have small repos compared to Debian or fedora.)

> I assume they're secretly trying to get people over to Mageia.

I doubt they've even heard of Mageia.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Grombobulous »

jamesnorden wrote: post #107
noxer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bad advice that is being repeated over and over by the so called tech influencers. You go to an older version that only got security updates so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10. And for the foreseeable future you gain nothing at all. If one day the normal version acctually stops reviving security updates, it almost certainly will be possible to switch the updat…

> so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10 Windows gets worse with each update, so this is actually a plus.

Very untrue for gaming in particular.

For example, if you have an OLED or mini-LED monitor, you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR.

And sure, you can say “well nobody has an OLED monitor,” but I’d remind everyone that OLED displays have been pretty much standard on every gaming laptop mid-range and higher for a decent amount of time now.

A lot of the focus for Windows 11 development has been gaming performance and feature improvements. Game developers are also less and less likely over time to bother testing with Windows 10.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by ChocolateGod »

mawadev wrote: post #11

What even is Microsoft's strategy? Windows 11 requiring TPM, Secure Boot and being all react wasn't great. Now we have a hardware shortage and ai in everything. I miss the time when it was "My computer" and not "This PC". I just hope they keep Windows 10 around till 2030 and longer...

I don't think requiring secure boot is a big deal given every computer since Sandy Bridge iirc ships with it.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Marsymars »

noxer wrote: post #94
vunderba wrote: post #3

Anyone who still needs to run Windows 10 for whatever reason should switch over to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2) which will continue to receive security updates up through 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/rel...

This is bad advice that is being repeated over and over by the so called tech influencers. You go to an older version that only got security updates so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10. And for the foreseeable future you gain nothing at all. If one day the normal version acctually stops reviving security updates, it almost certainly will be possible to switch the updat…

I wouldn't suggest an old LTSC version, but in a relatively recent update MS stopped allowing non-LTSC versions to not populate the start menu with ms store ads when your search locally. For me, that was the final straw - I switched to the latest Win11 LTSC after that, and it's a decidedly better user experience without the cruft I didn't need or want.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by hypfer »

Grombobulous wrote: post #122
jamesnorden wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10 Windows gets worse with each update, so this is actually a plus.

Very untrue for gaming in particular. For example, if you have an OLED or mini-LED monitor, you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR. And sure, you can say “well nobody has an OLED monitor,” but I’d remind everyone that OLED displays have been pretty much standard on every gaming laptop mid-range and higher for a decent amount of time now. A lot of the focus for Windows 11 development has been ga…

Most people are in fact not gamers. Like.. at all. And even those that are probably don't own an OLED or mini-LED monitor.

Most people just want a computer that does the word, the chrome and that's about it.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by hypfer »

vunderba wrote: post #47
giancarlostoro wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is free and less wasteful on resources on the other hand.

It is, and if you can switch, it’s highly recommended. I have some pretty bespoke old RS-232 Windows software that was an absolute disaster to get working under Debian with Wine a few years back, so I (and others) might still need to keep a copy of Windows around.

At this point, you might want to consider throwing an LLM at it and just letting it reimplement the thing so that it runs on linux.

They can actually do that. They may not like it, but they can.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by destinator »

nly wrote: post #33
shevy-java wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It honestly is very good, I'd put it up there with Linux Min I am not necessarily a Microsoft hater per se, but to insinuate that Linux is on the same level as the Microsoft operating system is really strange to me. Whenever I, for instance, have to copy files to windows, I am getting annoyed at how slow it is compared to Linux. And that's just one issue I have. Another one is how slow e. g. ruby is on windows, com…

And good god...windows 11 updates still take fucking hours and still require multiple reboots. How this is still so painful after 2 decades is beyond me

The update system is such a mess that I now dread booting into Windows. I have been in multiple situations where an update has required a reboot - but my boot manager defaults to Linux - so whatever update process was supposed to happen on reboot doesn't happen, which means that the next time I boot into Windows I am either A) waiting for an update to complete (which is so fucking slow) AND/OR B)The update runs and fails because I have taken too long between booting into Windows and for whatever reason it has to roll back and then RUN THE UPDATE AGAIN. I understand the fundamental need to reboot because some updates effect the kernel in such a way that the entire thing has to be reloaded. But it seems like Windows is rebooting for MOST if not EVERY update. If you are patching kernel level bugs with this frequency this far into the lifecycle of the product you have some very serious issues or more likely I am guessing that they are indiscriminately pushing "features" that nobody asked for and then they are just forcing user reboots because their bloated apps/slop are now using so much RAM and are so inefficient that the only way to "fix" the inevitable performance loss is to reboot (I am only being half snarky here).

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by martinjc »

senfiaj wrote: post #22
mawadev wrote: post #11

What even is Microsoft's strategy? Windows 11 requiring TPM, Secure Boot and being all react wasn't great. Now we have a hardware shortage and ai in everything. I miss the time when it was "My computer" and not "This PC". I just hope they keep Windows 10 around till 2030 and longer...

>> Windows 11 requiring TPM, Secure Boot and being all react wasn't great. For me a bigger concern is that Windows 11 requires MS account, and making harder and harder to bypass it. This is a disrespect for my freedom and privacy. The hardware is not the biggest issue because it might catch up eventually. https://waspdev.com/articles/2026-03-12/i-ll-probably-never-...

The average consumer doesn't care about signing up for an account, so that's an easy win for getting them in the email system and thereby tie all the telemetry events to an easily recognizable account. Imagine how valuable this information is.

Now you have system level events tied to a user, that might also purchase an office product and pump out more events.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by Grombobulous »

hypfer wrote: post #125
Grombobulous wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very untrue for gaming in particular. For example, if you have an OLED or mini-LED monitor, you really don’t want to be on Windows 10 and miss out on HDR. And sure, you can say “well nobody has an OLED monitor,” but I’d remind everyone that OLED displays have been pretty much standard on every gaming laptop mid-range and higher for a decent amount of time now. A lot of the focus for Windows 11 development has been ga…

Most people are in fact not gamers. Like.. at all. And even those that are probably don't own an OLED or mini-LED monitor. Most people just want a computer that does the word, the chrome and that's about it.

There are over 900 million PC gamers in the world.

PCs have 43% marketshare in the total game console market. Yes, that includes marketshare against the Nintendo Switch.

There’s a bit of a bubble of non-gaming in this forum, but gaming is definitely a top use case for PCs.

Just walk into your local Best Buy in the laptop section and count up how many of the laptops are marketed as gaming systems. That should give you a rough idea of how many systems are purchased with gaming as the primary intent.

Sure, HDR is a niche at this point in time, but technologies like OLED and mini LED are increasingly common. If you buy a gaming laptop in 2026 at most reasonable price points it’s very likely to have an OLED monitor.

Example: Legion 5a Gen 11 AMD, price on Lenovo’s site is $1500, has an OLED monitor. You can buy OLED gaming monitors below $500 nowadays, so a lot of people upgrading have that as their next upgrade path…if not today, then tomorrow.

On that subject, most people just use the copy of Windows that comes with the computer, so the whole debate about Windows 10 is perhaps not worth having in the first place. Microsoft most likely just misjudged the pace of hardware replacement especially in the AI era where computer sales have slowed.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by hypfer »

Grombobulous wrote: post #129
hypfer wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people are in fact not gamers. Like.. at all. And even those that are probably don't own an OLED or mini-LED monitor. Most people just want a computer that does the word, the chrome and that's about it.

There are over 900 million PC gamers in the world. PCs have 43% marketshare in the total game console market. Yes, that includes marketshare against the Nintendo Switch. There’s a bit of a bubble of non-gaming in this forum, but gaming is definitely a top use case for PCs. Just walk into your local Best Buy in the laptop section and count up how many of the laptops are marketed as gaming systems. That should give you…

Yes and how many of those people have the cash for cutting edge tech?

And how much does that cutting edge tech truly matter for the core game experience. I think the steam hardware survey might have some answers there and can tell us for which level of hardware currently developed games are being optimized for.

And that's just the currently developed ones. Not the massive backlog that existed before OLED or microLED HDR screens.

Tiny group. Tiny.

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Btw, super lame to try to improve your argument after the fact with edits, but, well. Anyway.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

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