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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Grok and its creator are unequivocally evil. Against protection of all but capital for the sake of enabling the oligarch class to further consolidate power ans abuse the working class.

unequivocally goes to far imo. The rockets are good and cool.

I see his barely a year old "awkward hand gesture" or tuning into AfD's and Tommy Robinson's streams isn't enough of an evidence for some.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Man I need to start using Grok more

Grok and its creator are unequivocally evil. Against protection of all but capital for the sake of enabling the oligarch class to further consolidate power ans abuse the working class.

Im not sure OpenAI or Anthropic are necessarily better? Or even opposed to this

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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> Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. Sometimes, but not always. https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-bet... > By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2% of “very liberal” respondents died of interna…

It's interesting how distrust for big pharma used to be left wing, but is now right wing. How did that happen?

It's a whole thing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-lef...

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The space (if it really is useful to think of as a space) of political opinions seems like it is probably many, many dimensional. The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification, but the 2D compass seems to be a not-obvious-simplification which is… much worse.

> The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification

In general I agree, but in recent history it works pretty well if the dimension you use is Trump rather than left/right (assuming you are in the US). He is the most polarizing leader I have seen in the US in my lifetime, and knowing whether someone is a supporter is pretty good at predicting the rest of their viewpoints.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

I tend to disagree. What it really comes down to is how you create your prompt. For instance whenever I'm looking left wing extreamisum I provide it with a few cases first. Like BLM riots in Minnesota, paid agitators, mask wearing during peaceful protests, etc. It then gives you a clear unbiased deprogrammed view of the reality on all the AI models.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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If you don't cherry pick and instead look at statistics, political violence in the US is dominated by right-wing extremists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence_in_the_Unit...

I was responding to specific examples to show how they’re not similar at all. The modern post Jan 6/BLM claim that rightwing violence is more prevalent is precisely the propaganda Mr Musk was referring to — and has been debunked many times. That’s nothing but junk social statistics by an ideologue, as are many social science papers these days. Historical violence isn’t so clear, eg, the 1970s would be the era of left…

> The modern post Jan 6/BLM claim that rightwing violence is more prevalent

That's modern, post Jan 6? Don't lie about such obvious things. I was in Oklahoma City in April, 1995.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The constant issue with these sorts of categorization efforts is that the outcome is entirely dependent on how the responses to "politically charged questions" are graded as left vs. right. You're mostly just examining a delta in biases between the model and the investigator.

Yes, but I think it is still a viable metric to some degree. I wondered about Gemini being dead center here. At first it was obvious that it was actively trained to give biased responses to anything controversial. It was deservedly made fun off because it tried to warp reality. I still don't trust it today, although that is pretty much true for any model.

I don't think that craziness was baked into the model, it was in the prompt they used. So, easy to fix once they realized how stupid it was.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

#178

The overall chart on their page seems politically biased, or at the very least a chart crime. The logos have faint grey lines pointing to their actual data points, conspicuously making Grok look very far right. You wouldn't know it from glancing at the chart, but they measured Chatgpt being further to the left than Grok is to the right.

I don't know what you're seeing here. They only did this with a couple of points that were very close to each other, and didn't change their horizontal position. That, and the rest of the tables, also made it very clear that Chatgpt and Grok were almost mirrored based on the particular wedge issues that were shown. Makes it pretty obvious that aggressive tweaking is happening with both.

The Deepseek example somehow makes the Chatgpt/Grok tweaking even more obvious, because it's a list of things that China doesn't care in an extreme way about (or holds its position confidently), and a question about drugs, which it does care about (and I think feels less confident about.)

China's antidrug feeling is just a mix of the historical repulsion about English control of China through drug dealing and waging war to support it, and a world zeitgeist that supported a lot of crazy antidrug policy in the developing world because it offered a way for the US to smuggle a bunch of currency and military aid into your politics. It's not rational, and most of China's policies are. It's a relic. Hence the thumb on the scale.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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If that is true, why is SpaceX 5-10 years ahead of all its competitors?/why are Elon's companies #1 in all their industries (with the exception of xAI)?

In what industry is Tesla #1 in?

Is over-valuation an industry?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The overall chart on their page seems politically biased, or at the very least a chart crime. The logos have faint grey lines pointing to their actual data points, conspicuously making Grok look very far right. You wouldn't know it from glancing at the chart, but they measured Chatgpt being further to the left than Grok is to the right.

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