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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by pixl97 »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #93
godshatter wrote: post #58

Why are there differences at all? Unplanned differences based on training data sets? Or are the companies behind the LLMs trying to shape discourse through their models? I've been pushing the idea to people I know that these things are captive demons. You summon them when you start typing in the chat box. One instance appears out of the depths and responds to your questions, but they will try to send you awry with ha…

I would argue that these are products and companies want people to use them. Like it or not, a model that disagrees with some fundamental core of your beliefs will make you much less likely to use it. To me it's the same problem with LLMs just being overly agreeable. The general public doesn't want tools that argue with them.

Which leads to a problem. Training multiple models is hella expensive currently, so they have to attempt to make them 'neutral' as possible. Which is something that doesn't work when you're trying to sell a product globally. You'll end up with people and governments arguing it tell them the right answer when they ask about god.

I'm guessing at some point in the future we'll have a lot of different distillations of the same model caters to particular regions/beliefs.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by michaelmrose »

ecshafer wrote: post #118
michaelmrose wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM constantly regress towards statistically likely responses. If you trained a model on all of modern science and wanted to inject a pro young earth creationist bias you would find it challenging to keep it on topic and make it useful. Many issues are simply as black and white. The earth just isn't less than 10k years old, the miasma theory of disease isn't correct, too many brown people in America isn't a problem t…

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Young Earth creationism is a position held by 58% of those who self-identify as Republicans today.

Slavery is a position that was supported by the overwhelming majority of southern conservatives immediately prior to its abolishment.

The abuse of immigrants is something that the majority of conservatives are willing to accept even as they are killed.

Conservativism is a constellation of selfish idealogically motivated positions which necessarily encompass many things embarrassing and others vile.

Some embrace the vile whilst other's believe they can use the stupid to achieve ends like a return to a country dominated by white Christian men, a more hierarchal society where money and power flow to the right sort, a more friendly economic environment where they hope to achieve greater personal success, staving off social and political change etc.

The most ugly aspects are poisoning everything and they cannot be ejected without losing the numbers needed to retain power and cleaving to them will itself cause the loss of power unless they also end democracy.

The majority of those who call themselves Republicans will reject or have rejected both democracy and nonviolence because the alternative would be accepting defeat amongst a group self selected for selfishness.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by ryandrake »

johnsimer wrote: post #129
samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

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At your dinner table, that one person would have approximately 32% of the food at the table, and 50 people at that table would only have a half a stick of butter to share between them all.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by jjk7 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #61
atty wrote: post #59

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Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. People can use the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions. That’s a separate issue from “are these facts correct” and what happens when an individual or entire party starts getting most of their news from highly partisan and unreliable sources.

> Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. Sometimes, but not always. https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-bet... > By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2% of “very liberal” respondents died of interna…

It's interesting how distrust for big pharma used to be left wing, but is now right wing. How did that happen?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by neaden »

thrance wrote: post #53
samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

Yeah, you're just describing class warfare. That's a left-wing idea.

"Any city, however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the other of the rich; these are at war with one another." - Plato The Republic.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by civet_java »

johnsimer wrote: post #129
samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

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I'm not sure I fully understand this "society as a dinner crowd" metaphor you're painting here - who is the govt here and what are taxes and most importantly what is the food everyone is eating?

How does the wealthy paying 40% of the income/consumption tax collected by the govt translate to them feeding 40% of population (which they don't)?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by [deleted] »

johnsimer wrote: post #129
samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by htx619 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #132
ecshafer wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Young Earth creationism is a position held by 58% of those who self-identify as Republicans today. Slavery is a position that was supported by the overwhelming majority of southern conservatives immediately prior to its abolishment. The abuse of immigrants is something that the majority of conservatives are willing to accept even as they are killed. Conservativism is a constellation of selfish idealogically motivated…

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by platevoltage »

ecshafer wrote: post #118
michaelmrose wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM constantly regress towards statistically likely responses. If you trained a model on all of modern science and wanted to inject a pro young earth creationist bias you would find it challenging to keep it on topic and make it useful. Many issues are simply as black and white. The earth just isn't less than 10k years old, the miasma theory of disease isn't correct, too many brown people in America isn't a problem t…

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The 13th amendment explicitly carves out an exception for slavery for incarcerated people. How many Republicans do you think disagree with this?

And maybe I could give you the "Young Earth" part not being a talking point, but "Creationism" definitely IS a talking point, and is still a crazy thing to believe in 2026.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by slg »

logicchains wrote: post #125
samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

>assets capture by tiny percent of the population Those asserts were _created_ by a tiny percent of the population; if they hadn't been allowed to create those assets then they wouldn't exist. Europe is an example of that: it has only 2 companies in the Fortune 500 (500 biggest companies) that were created in the past 20 years, i.e. essentially no tech industry there. Because the policies there make entrepreneurship…

And is life in Europe actually worse than the US as a result? Capitalism has convinced people to think that the end goal of life is creating value. Maybe that isn't the thing society should be optimizing for.
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