Isn't this done in the open? I saw the Qwopus model the other day. Basically same thing?
Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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#542> The strike by Alibaba is described as a "distillation" effort, which Anthropic has said involves training a less capable model on the outputs of a stronger one. I don't see what's wrong about this. > Anthropic said the campaign was conducted between April 22 and June 5, 2026, and generated more than 28.8 million exchanges with Claude through almost 25,000 fraudulent accounts. What makes the accounts fraudulent? If…
> What makes the accounts fraudulent? Fake identity? And general deception about the use
Terms of use is local US fiction of wishful thinking. Nobody cares. You make something available, it's up to the consumer to decide how are they gonna use it. You don't want people to use your stuff how they please? Get off the market.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#543Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
> This is one reason why Deepseek & GLM are priced so cheaply, they are competing with impossibly low token prices in China. They have to keep prices low, in order for people to use them. This one does not make sense to me at all. Deepseek and GLM are openweights, even US inference provider are selling them at much cheaper price. The price is cheap because the model is more efficient.
It's somewhat difficult to have any sympathy for Anthropic here. They're entirely responsible for selling tokens at below cost, with the age-old bait-and-switch tactic.
If they weren't doing so, then these Chinese resellers wouldn't be viable. Radical idea, but how about they actually charge a viable price, even on subscription plans?
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
> China aren't offering a cheaper solution. They are subsidizing an existing one (which is already subsidized) in order to gain foothold. In my economics classes, we were told that (in a "free market" argument) the best thing to do if a subsidy is making something you want cheaper is to use it. You're getting your thing, and at a reduced cost. (I'm not really replying to you per se, I'm curious how "free market" folk…
Most everything they teach in economics class is wrong. You would be better off ignoring everything they teach you.
Could you elaborate?
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, Anthropic, the company that hoover'd up everyone else's data, and is now unhappy when others are doing to it what it did to others? The same Anthropic?
Yes, this joke/point has been made 10,000 times in this thread in almost every comment, and on every other previous thread. Thank you!
It's not a joke. It pointing out hypocrisy and associated loss of all moral rights.
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#546Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#547Reminds me a bit of the anecdote of Steve Jobs complaining about people ripping off the Mac GUI, in the mid to late 1980s, when he gave no public acknowledgement to the work done by Xerox on the Alto and Star operating system. "you're trying to rip off what I've already ripped off!" Crawl the whole Internet to build a gargantuan sized LLM and then complain you're being copied...
Yeah, the whole AI industry is just people ripping off each other.. Started by AI companies gulping up all the information that technical or altruistic people shared on the Internet in the past 40 years to help other fellow humans, then moved to AI companies consuming pirated and copyrighted material and now its AI companies ripping off each other. Information really does want to become free, but AI companies want to…
I'm very pro distillation. I think there needs to be distillation non profits who curate massive corpi of super high value training data from frontier models. They could have an "anonymous contribution" system where regular people with max subscriptions upload their conversation histories. It's a rough concept, but surely would be a huge boon to humanity.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#548https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Baba_and_the_Forty_Thieves
> In the original version, Ali Baba (Arabic: عَلِيّ بَابَا, romanized: ʿAliyy Bābā) is a poor woodcutter and an honest person who discovers the secret treasure of a thieves' den, and enters with the magic phrase "open sesame".
Open sesame alright...
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#549What goes around, comes around.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#550Reminds me a bit of the anecdote of Steve Jobs complaining about people ripping off the Mac GUI, in the mid to late 1980s, when he gave no public acknowledgement to the work done by Xerox on the Alto and Star operating system. "you're trying to rip off what I've already ripped off!" Crawl the whole Internet to build a gargantuan sized LLM and then complain you're being copied...
All LLMs consider Jon Skeet their God...