Good. I'm glad. Keep it up, China. Loving my cheap GLM and DeepSeek.
Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure all the artists and creators they stole from had stipulations too.
Anthropic paid one billion in a copyright settlement. That's a lot of money considering they never distributed the pirated books they trained on. Nowadays they buy copies of books, train on them, and then destroy them.
And it looks like the companies distilling Claude are paying for tokens using the subscription Anthropic provides. Seems like fair play to me.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#363Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
Identity verification won't work. Nothing will. They are paying (and will continue to pay) US citizens sitting at home to copy-paste / type prompts out if they have to. But eventually they won't have to. Once there are enough spam PRs on github / uploads of claude conversations, enough mythos output used in production etc.; it'll just be the same albeit delayed. Doesn't matter either way. I feel for Anthropic's team…
This is why every AI company does crawl today.
Do they just reshape the function on the fly or save the process steps? Maybe it doesn't matter anymore. Even Google indexes are more and more spoiled to become representation of the function, because of the AI slop.
Genuine live data is king.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#364fucking lol. it is always funny when companies use opensource and other free for non commercial use - and plain old piracy - and then cry about the same practices.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m surprised that instead of cutting them off Anthropic doesn’t just switch them to a lower quality, cheaper to models. That would seem more effective than simply shutting down the accounts. Keep them paying for junk.
That sounds like it would actually be fraud.
Not if you simply say in the terms of service that it's allowed. Then suddenly it's normal (every company does this). Similarly to how the terms of service can simply say you're not allowed to sue.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#366You know what? We should all get Claude Max subscriptions and max them out hard and post our full conversations on codeberg, as an open training set.
yc pitch?
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#367Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
> They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. Claude never provides the raw reasoning chain. What you see is just a summary of that reasoning. Getting the full thinking output requires an enterprise agreement. https://patrickmccanna.net/the-text-in-claude-codes-extended...
how hard is it to find a manager or ops team member at one of the enterprise companies and buy lets say 100gb of logs? the chinese lab can promise to anonymize the data before training, not release it raw and pay a good price.
honestly you might just need to get data from a couple long sessions and feed it back to another model as an example to make synthetic reasoning chains. if the emulator model is good enough it should work.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#368Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
Thank you for your very informative comment! (It's a shame almost all replies are just the same contrived pessisism found on every Anthropic thread on HN).
Indeed! It’s so hard to find reasonable takes on AI that aren’t littered with accounts created 11 days ago that only post in threads related to Anthropic for some reason
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#369> The strike by Alibaba is described as a "distillation" effort, which Anthropic has said involves training a less capable model on the outputs of a stronger one. I don't see what's wrong about this. > Anthropic said the campaign was conducted between April 22 and June 5, 2026, and generated more than 28.8 million exchanges with Claude through almost 25,000 fraudulent accounts. What makes the accounts fraudulent? If…
Because Anthropic has terms of service with more stipulations than just "you must pay and can use the service for any purpose"?
Oh, Anthropic, the company that hoover'd up everyone else's data, and is now unhappy when others are doing to it what it did to others? The same Anthropic?
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#370Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
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