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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by gallerdude »

medlazik wrote: post #62
colechristensen wrote: post #45

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I was able to identify, diagnose, fix, and upstream a minor bug in and erlang/OTP ssh key implementation with Opus in maybe 20 minutes (+2 weeks or so for upstream). It is not impossible that I could have done this before, but it would have taken days or weeks. The actual fix was about 2 lines of code, hardly AI slop, but getting there would have been quite the slog, and I never would have done it. There is a lot of…

I said absolutely nothing about LLMs, which is a fantastic tool I'm using every day. I'm talking about marketing.

So let’s say you’re in Anthropic’s shoes. You see that LLM’s are getting better and better, and it’s very possible that they will have some impact on jobs in the next few years, and a very meaningful impact on cybersecurity.

Is it more ethical to stay silent about these concerns, as you might have a bit of self interest? Or even if it looks a bit self interested, is it better to warn people ahead of time? I think the latter is obviously the better position.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dgellow »

dofm wrote: post #64
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #54

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Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

You cannot really hide the amount of compute required to train an LLM. Do we have actual clues that NASA is training their own frontier model?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by segmondy »

dofm wrote: post #64
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

Serious question, do you realize that the NSA are mere mortals? Do you realize how much it takes to train a model? Does the NSA make their own chips or planes? The NSA buys a lot of technology because they can't make their own.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by chews »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #63
strictnein wrote: post #30

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It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?

That "box" is a virtual machine, no? Do you know what hypervisor is managing it? :)

... not your machines, not your crypto...

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by convolvatron »

segmondy wrote: post #85
dofm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

Serious question, do you realize that the NSA are mere mortals? Do you realize how much it takes to train a model? Does the NSA make their own chips or planes? The NSA buys a lot of technology because they can't make their own.

NSA has had their own supercomputing program for decades. they design and produce their own large scale machines. chips, fabrics, arithmetic units, all of it. they also employ quite a number of hardcore mathematicians, computer scientists, and systems wranglers. if they decided it was of strategic importance there is absolutely no reason they couldn't train their own models.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by yoyohello13 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #51
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

> and "AI will take your job" Don't forget, its no longer cool to say that now that the public has pushed back. The fact they all changed their tone away from taking jobs tells you that it was all just entirely marketing.

All the CEOs very quickly changed their messaging after Altman's house got molotoved.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by scottyah »

sailfast wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #22

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> directive was to remove access to non-Americans Did Hegseth pull his supply-chain risk BS?

No - this was a separate power unrelated to the supply chain risk which is still in effect.

Well, kinda in effect. He lacked the authority to make the call, and it is quite obviously being ignored by most suppliers. If it were actually enforced, I believe no companies that are contractors for the DoD could even host Anthropic- like GCP, Azure, and AWS. Perhaps they are currently figuring out how to get off all cloud provider govclouds, but I doubt it.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by john_strinlai »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #28
aleqs wrote: post #7

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Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

the NSA isn't a bunch of super soldiers, they're cops with too much access, it doesn't take a genius to outsmart a cop

>they're cops with too much access, it doesn't take a genius to outsmart a cop

the nsa has an unlimited budget and spend a good portion of that budget recruiting some of the smartest people in the country. while they dont have super powers, they also arent the town cop who took a 6 month course after high school then joined the force.

it does no good to hold them up as mythical figures. it also does no good to pretend they are bumbling idiots.

(every math phd i am acquainted with has been approached by nsa recruiters. none of them have been approached by police agencies.)

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