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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.

the success of mythos isn't from model weights, it's from the harness and toolset it has access to

I agree but that's even easier to exfiltrate, surely.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

I was able to identify, diagnose, fix, and upstream a minor bug in and erlang/OTP ssh key implementation with Opus in maybe 20 minutes (+2 weeks or so for upstream). It is not impossible that I could have done this before, but it would have taken days or weeks. The actual fix was about 2 lines of code, hardly AI slop, but getting there would have been quite the slog, and I never would have done it. There is a lot of…

I said absolutely nothing about LLMs, which is a fantastic tool I'm using every day. I'm talking about marketing.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's back to the question of how much you should give the benefit of doubt to powerful people who openly lie.

It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?

That "box" is a virtual machine, no?

Do you know what hypervisor is managing it? :)

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

#64

They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.

Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help)

It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

Please provide sources for such bold claims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

https://www.wired.com/2013/10/nsa-hacked-yahoo-google-cables...

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

I don't think there is much overlap between people capable of building cutting edge LLM's and the people who want to build a cutting edge LLM for the government.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #40

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

We should seriously reframe this whole AI thing to "SI = simulated intelligence". It's google in a box. Great achievement, makes knowledge work faster, but please stop bothering everyone else. The Uber and Groupon people became billionaires, so the "Simulated Intelligence" folks will also achieve it. No need to worry and drown everyone in these bs stories only non-tech people believe.

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

#68

They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.

the success of mythos isn't from model weights, it's from the harness and toolset it has access to

Is it really?

Harness is important for model performance, but weights are surely mode important, without that you would have haiku doing the work.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #56

If Mythos is still running internally, the NSA still have some access to it. It's just crazy to believe there aren't CIA and/or NSA plants (tacitly acknowledged or otherwise) inside Anthropic and OpenAI. But Mythos is still only an advanced LLM so I am not sure what all this breathy fuss is about; it sounds like the PR war more than anything. If the NSA aren't themselves training technologies that are at least as pow…

I think it’s beyond a mastery of PR. They literally called it Mythos and built a literal myth around it. I mean… maybe people just want the soap opera.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

They probably also have an insane dataset
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