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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by matheusmoreira »

crote wrote: post #368
miki123211 wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a swi…

Subscription prices. Anthropic subscription can't be used with third party harnesses. OpenRouter would require me to pay API prices.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by 1over137 »

ignoramous wrote: post #451
Animats wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. Note the big cut in token prices from China. [1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1363827.shtml

> Note the big cut in token prices from China. After the recent 75%+ price cuts by DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo (and now, MiniMax), I pretty much packed my Claude bag up and moved over. I see no discernable difference (other than chattiness of its thinking modes) in capabilities for the kind of coding & debugging work I do.

and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by _heimdall »

> Verification data stays between you, Persona, and Anthropic, except where we're legally required to respond to valid legal processes

I'm always curious about these stipulations. Its not like Anthropic would have a choice here what the legal demands are, but I don't see a commitment to make all requests as public as they legally can.

If the government were to say export controls mean you must share every identity verification attempt with us, it may be a long drawn out battle if Anthropic wanted to deny that's a legal order.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by digitaltrees »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #457
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. > Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up. Excellent point... That made me rethink my payments to Anthropic. As one of the foreign peasants who was banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free, it's become really h…

As an American founder I am sorry for this. I think the world needs to band together to take geopolitical risk out of AI.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by HDBaseT »

chrsw wrote: post #448
stavros wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this, my disagreement was strictly with saying that the current open models are as good as Opus.

They're not. And by the time they are Open AI and Anthropic will probably be onto the next thing. Not sure what happened to Google in all this. They're falling out of the frontier race.

Both Anthropic and OpenAI don't want to continue training models indefinitely.

Anthropic CEO has expressed potentially slowing down on model training. There is little return for billions of dollars burnt for 1-2% increase on various benchmarks. These companies profit via inference.

Not to mention, the whole Fable being banned by the US Gov is a scary prospect for future models. What is the point of spending billions if its going to get blocked?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by bigiain »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #454
Aurornis wrote: post #437

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Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

Export controls have typically been for physical goods. Don’t remember the last time it was used for an API

Have we all forgotten PGP already? (Not an API, but certainly not a "physical good")

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by _heimdall »

appplication wrote: post #384
btown wrote: post #360

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Notably, though, Persona does not have access to your Claude interactions, other than your signup/verification date. They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks.

Maybe I’m entirely uncreative here, but if all they have is identity data and the implied data of having triggered a verification event, it feels like at best anything trained on this is really sketchy and could lead to some really messed up analysis. Like “we determined brown people trigger perform Claude queries that trigger identify verification at a rate 70% higher than white people”.

They would have access to IDs and whatever photos or real time video/audio is requires to verify. That's a big step towards building quite a large dataset for ID systems used for surveillance, for example.

There's also always the risk of not knowing who gets those documents later. The Dutch didn't think much of keeping detailed records including religious affiliation until the Nazis rolled into town.

LLM use is obviously much less politically charged today than religion was then (or ever), but that can always change, especially when an administration has already attacked said LLM provider as being something along the lines of a dangerous enemy of the state.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by 1over137 »

drnick1 wrote: post #420
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. > The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market The issue is that there is no "international LLM market." America is leading the AI race, and while Chinese open weight models are great, they aren't quite bleeding edge. I routinely use Qwen and GPT-OSS (locally) for things I don't want to share with Anthropic, but they are c…

How does it follow that there’s no “international LLM market” just because one party is ahead of another? There’s an international car market even though some cars are better/worse than others.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by matheusmoreira »

hailwren wrote: post #447
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

This strikes me as bluster. You use Anthropic because they offer the best model, if China offered a better model you would use them. You’re trying to signal that you deserve Anthropic’s best model but the truth is as long as Anthropic continue to serve a better model than China, you will use it. Definitionally, slightly better than China should always be fine for export.

> You’re trying to signal that you deserve Anthropic’s best model

You think some people aren't "deserving" of the best models?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by [deleted] »

dalemhurley wrote: post #432
furyofantares wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Not only is it up for debate, I find it extremely unlikely to be true. I don't really disagree with the rest of your post but I very strongly doubt that Opus 4.8 will be the best American LLM you'll have access to this year.

Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

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