If you're this far in and still using Windows and Outlook, there's no saving you. You've been in an abusive relationship for _decades_ now. Get help.
Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#522Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember handing an Ethernet cable to a friend and he said I was getting old. His laptop didn't have Ethernet! I still haven't recovered from the realisation. My [old] laptop had a a card reader, hdmi, vga, a serial port and rows of usb2 ports, a plug for power, headphone jack etc etc Back at his place he showed me the USB hub and the Rube Goldberg dongle collection. I said, ahh there you have all those connectors…
Excuse me! I hide them in a rats nest under my desk like a civilized person.
Civilized people have a box full of dongles in a cabinet drawer, right next to the box with ethernet cables and the video cable box.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#523That 10 seconds of enfourced mindfullness will save your bacon when you no longer have to deal with ransomware
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is more to do with people don't want to pay for software anymore. How would a new email entrant make money when no one will pay for it?
The same question can be asked in this case: if there's no money in it, why did Microsoft pay for the creation of a new Outlook that's apparently worse than the old Outlook?
I think it might be less about making money and more about burning less. From what I understand, the new Outlook is a wrapper around the code that already powers Outlook.com. Since they're already maintaining Outlook.com, they might as well integrate the functionality of the Office Outlook into it and only maintain one of the two moving forward.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#525This year, for the first time since 2006 I've have Outlook and friends in my life. I run Linux, so naturally I turned to firefox.. Not a win. Fair, I use Chrome only for these products. Dear Lord, how has the software gotten this much worse in 19 years? I thought that Thunderbird was bloated and awful... until I tried Outlook, in a browser, on Linux. Now, the Thunderbird experience is shockingly pleasurable, compared…
Thunderbird was not _that_ bad, tbh. But none could compete with theBat!
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. You can run selective rules, but when you have a whole bunch, running all is more sensible. 2. When you select a slot in the calendar screen and press delete, the only options you get are cancel and decline. All this is applicable for the PWA. The native client works fine.
I don't understand what you mean by your first point. The delete button I was talking about is in Outlook running in a browser: https://i.imgur.com/k4ejdw4.png Pressing the delete key on my keyboard brings this up: https://i.imgur.com/SBVkpVf.png Clicking delete doesn't send any notification to the other side, where this account still shows as having accepted the invite (the other side is a different Office 365 organ…
That is interesting. I'm using the PWA on Linux - I can't share a screenshot but basically pressing the delete key shows two buttons: Cancel and Decline Event? - I don't get the Delete option like you do.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually the answer is quite simple, their servers are the ones retrieving emails so they have access to the email contents (perhaps for training data?)
That isn't really an answer at all, as you can do what you like with data on your servers without making a new client. Even client side, that doesn't explain (as per article) a complete do-over as a web app wrapped in a browser.
Prior to this new version, Outlook did not pull emails through Microsoft servers but pulled them directly from the mail server configured. Now, when you retrieve email from Outlook New, Microsoft servers are "proxying" the emails through their systems.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#528> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.
IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job w…
> Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too.
I haven't really been able to use outlook.office.com in anything but Edge, which on my Windows machine automatically authenticates with M365. In other browsers I regularly get stuck in an auth redirect loop between different Microsoft domains when I open the site. Sometimes it helps to clear all cookies and re-login (which is a real pain with 2FA and all) but it only ever helps once: If I close and re-open the site, I'll have to do it again.
How people voluntarily pay for this crap is beyond me. (In my case it's forced upon me by my client. On my own machines I switched to Linux in 2010 and never looked back.)
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#529Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…
All Operating Systems suck. Linux sucks less for things I care about, and has done for a long time - much longer than 7 years for my purposes.
I too am required to use a Windows machine for work, which seems to get worse with every release. They even ruined notepad.exe. The bloat is unavoidable. The new laptop I got one year ago that seemed more than enough when new, is now struggling under the bloat. It takes me in excess of 10 minutes to log in, connect VPN, start teams, outlook and putty in a citrix session. Madness!
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#530This is our fault, folks.
We technologists lobby ineffectively. We don't unionize. We are never not distracted.