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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by JoeBOFH »

ethbr1 wrote: post #472
anakaine wrote: post #375

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Theres a lot of friction from enterprise Microsoft admins, too. "But how will I group policy and Entra xyz?" is a concern I hear regularly, but still struggle to educate them away from.

This is more desktop linux's certification and standardization problem than technical problem. Because "It works" is insufficient for regulated industries that require "Prove is works using ___ standard" (where proving takes a ton of people-time), and more and more industries are soft-regulated as a condition of cyber insurance. I.e. what RedHat was created to solve

Suse has filled that niche pretty well also.

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Post by fuzzfactor »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #471
RajT88 wrote: post #354

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2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

Try mint on a live boot. I’ve found it to be the most “just works” on various laptops

Desktops too, and I've been preferring the Debian version known as Linux Mint Debian Edition since they came out with LMDE 7.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by RajT88 »

subscribed wrote: post #499
RajT88 wrote: post #401

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3 Words: Dell Docking Stations

LOL, preach. Work worst with Dell XPS series (have to power cycle the laptop so the dock would display something again), work better with ThinkPad and Framework laptops. They're at least free :)

Dell Docking stations are practically free, yes. Even on Windows, I've had issues, because of the Dell fuckery with docking stations - single cable docking doesn't work if your docking station is too new, and your laptop too old. Bananas.

On Ubuntu, I've purchased 3 different docking stations, and tried 2 existing ones, and none has worked quite right (some just flat out don't have all the drivers they need). The Windows laptop I have (which is extremely similar in hardware and generation), if you get a video signal out to a monitor, it's a very safe bet everything else works.

Back to "Practically Free" for old Dell docking stations. I acquired 3 of them for about 15-20 each shipped off eBay. lol At least I'm not sinking hundreds of dollars into each attempt at a docking station that may or may not work.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by canucker2016 »

lavataco wrote: post #501
canucker2016 wrote: post #386

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Schedule+ had the concept of exceptions to a recurring appointment (RA) - meetings that didn't follow the recurring pattern (e.g. every week on thursday at 4pm). This was exposed through the UI by letting the user adjust the date & time for the RA instance (e.g. move this week's thursday 4pm meeting to 2pm) via drag-drop or editing the RM instance and change the time in the appt dialog. So I assume with Outlook you c…

The recurring events calendar spec is crazy powerful, but also crazy bc its just a flat text file. For a bit i was attempting to stream-parse a huge calendar on my esp32 lcd display board and went down the rabbit hole.

The spec, i assume you mean iCalendar, came later.

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Post by maccard »

saratogacx wrote: post #508
maccard wrote: post #315

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I need to write the blog post. I keep being told this, and it’s not the solution. After a reboot, on an NVMe dev drive with no disk encryption, first launch of our internal application (unreal editor) takes 9 minutes on my workstation. If I disable windows defender before launching it, it takes 30 seconds. If I add all the processes as exclusions, and add the workspace folder as an exclusion to defender… 9 minutes. e…

I'd much rather know that something I think should work won't and where it happens. Bad advice can't become good advice in a vacuum.

I ran a quick test this morning - it took 7 minutes to load the app after a reboot, 90 seconds to load the second time, and 50 seconds after a reboot with windows defender disabled. All on an NVMe drive with basically nothing else running (no browsers or anything). The WPA capture showed msmpeng. That’s with the folder, and UnrealEditor.exe excluded from defender.

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Post by rstupek »

ben_w wrote: post #445
rstupek wrote: post #332

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The problem is more to do with people don't want to pay for software anymore. How would a new email entrant make money when no one will pay for it?

The same question can be asked in this case: if there's no money in it, why did Microsoft pay for the creation of a new Outlook that's apparently worse than the old Outlook?

Actually the answer is quite simple, their servers are the ones retrieving emails so they have access to the email contents (perhaps for training data?)

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Post by eignerchris_ »

I might be an email simpleton, but I don't think I've ever used a native email application on a desktop/laptop machine ever in my 20+ years on the web. I always just used the website, starting with EarthLink, then Hotmail, then Gmail, and now Proton.

What email power feature are folks using that necessitates using Outlook natively?

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by ben_w »

rstupek wrote: post #516
ben_w wrote: post #445

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The same question can be asked in this case: if there's no money in it, why did Microsoft pay for the creation of a new Outlook that's apparently worse than the old Outlook?

Actually the answer is quite simple, their servers are the ones retrieving emails so they have access to the email contents (perhaps for training data?)

That isn't really an answer at all, as you can do what you like with data on your servers without making a new client.

Even client side, that doesn't explain (as per article) a complete do-over as a web app wrapped in a browser.

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

dev_hugepages wrote: post #510
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #479

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Yep, see also "lies, damn lies, and feedback on arch linux": https://www.bitecode.dev/p/lies-damn-lies-and-feedback-on-ar...

I read your blog and I can't agree, i've installed arch Linux before and only had to read the arch wiki page on it and it worked fine with none of the issues you described. Same thing with gentoo, that I am daily driving now. I sure had hickups but I managed to solve them by sitting and reading the manuals/wikis of the distros directly, or the programs I was dealing with. Maybe the problem is that you read an obscure…

You are exactly the too good to realize all the problems you solve profile from the article.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

noisy_boy wrote: post #494
vladvasiliu wrote: post #447

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> 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. I'm not sure what you mean. I have rules running regularly to move messages around, delete messages older than X in some folders. It all runs fine. Maybe there are some other kinds of rules I'm not aware of? But I do remember that back when "old outl…

1. You can run selective rules, but when you have a whole bunch, running all is more sensible. 2. When you select a slot in the calendar screen and press delete, the only options you get are cancel and decline. All this is applicable for the PWA. The native client works fine.

I don't understand what you mean by your first point.

The delete button I was talking about is in Outlook running in a browser: https://i.imgur.com/k4ejdw4.png

Pressing the delete key on my keyboard brings this up: https://i.imgur.com/SBVkpVf.png

Clicking delete doesn't send any notification to the other side, where this account still shows as having accepted the invite (the other side is a different Office 365 organization).

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