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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by RajT88 »

fluffybucktsnek wrote: post #378
RajT88 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

Unless your hardware is exotic (or actively anti-consumer), most devices are well supported. If you wouldn't mind, what issues did you have recently?

3 Words: Dell Docking Stations

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by canucker2016 »

vajrabum wrote: post #78
anthk wrote: post #3

Thank JS and Electron supporters for that.

Is the new Outlook client a JS/Electron app?

The article mentions that new Outlook uses a Webview2 control as the UI. You can call it JS/Webview.

Similar to Electron, but using an MS Edge browser window control as the webview control instead of Google Chrome.

It's lighter weight than Electron, if you consider that Webview2 ships with Windows and is shared with other Webview2 consumers as opposed to Electron apps which each ship with their own self-contained web browser.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by bluGill »

rafterydj wrote: post #373
bluGill wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of cross platform options. I write with Qt for example.

Yes but Qt comes with the drawbacks of being tied to Qt. With Electron + React, you'd be able to rip out any components you need and place them in other web apps. The browser is (psychologically) avoiding vendor dependencies to a greater degree than other options.

You are tied to web and react. You can substitute react for something else (I suppose) but still tied to that.

I know of a few other cross platform toolkits if you don't like Qt, but in all cases you quickly become tied to it.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by matheusmoreira »

netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

The calculator takes 17 seconds to launch and be usable on the Windows computer I'm forced to use at work.

17 seconds. I timed it.

The old Win32 applications still launch instantly on the same computer.

> Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

That's disgusting, even by Microslop standards.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by noisy_boy »

fluffybucktsnek wrote: post #378
RajT88 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

Unless your hardware is exotic (or actively anti-consumer), most devices are well supported. If you wouldn't mind, what issues did you have recently?

I bought the Lenovo's proprietary Ethernet adapter from Lenovo directly for my Thinkpad X1 Extreme because I wanted to keep a USB-C port free. It didn't work at all under Fedora. A third-party USB-C to Ethernet adapter I bought works flawlessly.

If Lenovo's own adapter doesn't work on one of the most well supported product lines on Linux, that is not a good look.

To be very clear, I am a long time Linux user and most of the third-party stuff usually just works.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by matheusmoreira »

criddell wrote: post #51
netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

Sounds like something is wrong with your system. My work machine runs Windows 11 and it's fully up to date. Notepad starts pretty much instantly.

So you have to tinker with Microslop systems in order to make them usable?

If users have to debug performance problems, they'd be better off just installing Linux instead.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by esikich »

photios wrote: post #346
tevrede wrote: post #318

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Copilot search is great for searching SharePoint

I came back to reread this last sentence three times. Well done, sir, well done!

In my experience it is. Unless your IT leadership blew it on Sharepoint governance, which isn't MS's fault.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by noisy_boy »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #63
patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job w…

That is terribly hobbled. Examples:

1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook.

2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline. I am in many groups and sometimes just want to clean up my calendar without sending declines. Again, very much present in the native program.

No one expects genuine innovation from MS, but at least they could put some effort into feature parity. Too much to ask for in the days of Copilot I guess.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by eviks »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #59

Calculator taking measurable seconds to load was the last straw for me for Windows 10. Exclusively Linux at home for a couple of years now, and there's a relatively steady stream of headlines to remind me of how good a decision it was to switch away.

Isn't it way easier to just find a better calculator app (same for most other straws)?

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by danudey »

fluffybucktsnek wrote: post #378
RajT88 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2026 is the year of Linux on the Desktop! > At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up. Lifelong Windows user here. If you could get the kind of driver support you have with Windows for just whatever the fuck you have lying around, I'd probably use my Ubuntu laptop as more of a daily driver.

Unless your hardware is exotic (or actively anti-consumer), most devices are well supported. If you wouldn't mind, what issues did you have recently?

Ubuntu 26.04 has a bug in their pc-kernel snap causing it not to ship firmware for some devices (like my iwlwifi chipset), and because it mounts read-only directories into /var/lib/firmware/ you can't install the updated firmwares from apt either. Unless you're willing to do something like unpack the .deb file manually and extract the relevant firmwares from it, your wifi card won't work.

This isn't an issue with the hardware being too new or anything; it all works and the firmwares are all available, but Ubuntu's kernel snaps don't ship them and they make it much harder to get them yourself either.

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