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Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by flebron »

weregiraffe wrote: post #114
euleriancon wrote: post #80

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Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot. I've been in NLP since the LSTM days and it's hard for me to look at LLMs and not just think they are incredible. It's truly a different level of expressiveness. So much of capabilities research is pointing to LLMs effectively learning a world model. RLVR is also proving really effective. It is h…

If AGI is near, why Tesla still doesn't have real FSD?

I think you might be thinking of "AGI" as some sort of point in time, where something happens and everyone all at once has some technology. Not only is the progress towards AGI gradual, it's also very jagged in both capabilities and especially who has access to it. It's irrelevant whether a particular company, like Cisco, Pepsi, or Tesla, has some capability, when there exists a different research lab that is at the frontier, approaching AGI from some direction.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by sidibe »

angoragoats wrote: post #118
kingkongjaffa wrote: post #113

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO. Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around? You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers. someone further down wrote > Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology…

It’s annoying that the headline gives no context of who Jumper is, as if everyone is expected to know.

Google has been bleeding talent for decades, though few people have ever heard of them before they left google. Like when John Giannendra left it was the first time I'd ever heard of him but it was made out like he was a key person and big blow for Google. Every self driving car company came out of ex Google people as well, same w/OpenAi. The thing is Google research orgs have always been much bigger than any competitors, they'll be shedding people forever but there's a lot more where that came from

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by squidbeak »

kranke155 wrote: post #7
CuriouslyC wrote: post #6

Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

Be fair - Gemini 3.5 hasn't been released yet. You're talking about Gemini's flash model, but when are flash models ever SOTA?

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by black_knight »

rvz wrote: post #40

He will be back at Google after the Anthropic IPO. Seems like everyone here is easily fooled by the Anthropic hype. After the IPO, Anthropic won't be like the daycare it is today. Their main competitors are the chinese labs which are racing all their prices down close to $0.

With Anthropic going public, I wonder how long until enshittification sets in for LLMs. I guess as soon as they have figured out a way to lock-in users and growth slows down.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by bjackman »

mendigou wrote: post #131
bjackman wrote: post #108

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This is weird coz as a user of both Gemini and Claude I have the opposite feeling. Antigravity CLI is quite decent, it's a huge step up from Gemini CLI (like, for example, it actually fucking works) and has some genuine advantages over Claude Code. Does Codex have something over both of them? I haven't tried it. But the model just fucking sucks. Before I switched to Claude for personal stuff a few weeks ago, I was li…

I would be interested to hear what advantages you find Antigravity CLI has over Claude Code.

Nothing major just a few little details:

- the /artifact thing is quite useful (don't think CC has it?)

- the /tasks is a bit better than CC's equivalent

- there are a few built-in skills that I haven't found CC equivalents for in the built in set (but the fact that I haven't sought out 3rd party versions shows you they aren't very important).

And more generally it does a better job of making the agent available. When Claude is debugging something complex and running a bunch of experiments it's often unavailable for like 20 minutes at a time, you only have /btw. Whereas AGY tends to more aggressively use timers and background jobs.

But now I wrote that out, I realised it's probably just as much of a system prompt thing as a harness design thing. Coz Claude _can_ operate that way too.

Anyway, like I said none of these come anywhere near balancing out the model quality gap.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by thorum »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #113

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO. Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around? You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers. someone further down wrote > Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology…

The team with the most star power and hype tends to attract the best young talent.

If the next big breakthrough in AI comes from Anthropic, good chance it comes from some genius you’ve never heard of who decided to work there because of [famous researcher].

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by IncreasePosts »

mlmonkey wrote: post #139
IncreasePosts wrote: post #39

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Maybe Google doesn't want to pay out billions to a handful of engineers?

LOL ... after character.AI ?

Maybe they did that and realized the error. Anthropic handed him a bucket of money, I'm sure any reasonable person would bring that offer to their current employer and try to get them to match it. Maybe Google said no thanks

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Post by barbarr »

david_shi wrote: post #71
CuriouslyC wrote: post #6

Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

The economics of working at a pre-IPO company that will likely have a successful IPO and a 20+ year post-IPO company are also very different.

He doesn't need the money though. I bet there's something cultural or structural going on at GDM that made him want to leave.

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Post by overfeed »

mlmonkey wrote: post #138
david_shi wrote: post #71

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The economics of working at a pre-IPO company that will likely have a successful IPO and a 20+ year post-IPO company are also very different.

He won the Nobel. He made enough from Google to last 7 lifetimes. He does not need the money!

> He does not need the money!

Where did I hear this before? Very few people feel that a specific amount is ever enough.

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