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Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by energy123 »

hsaliak wrote: post #107

Gemini fumbled not on the models but on the basics. Gemini 3.1 flash was actually an amazing model to code with and their 20 dollar AI plans had solid value, but they locked it all behind 429s, needless gatekeeping of clients and poor product differentiation even among internal offerings. Users moved on. To claude for the best product, to OpenAI for the non gatekept API access. It’s hard to bring them back.

Organizational issues probably. As a user of Gemini for half a year I was stunned at the amount of bugs and lag for one of their flagship products.

Their devs are not incompetent so there must be some extreme dysfunction for that to be possible at the org level, where the IC is either not allowed to fix the bugs or doesn't want to fix them.

Either way that dysfunction is probably not limited to just the Gemini UI team.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by alex7734 »

jaggederest wrote: post #78
CamperBob2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot depends on whether the z.ai CEO, who just released the first freely-available Opus-class model weights, is blowing smoke when he claims he's less than a year away from achieving Fable-level performance. If he walks the talk, I really do not understand how either OpenAI or Anthropic is going to justify the twelve-digit valuations they are hoping for. They will just be some people who bought a domain name and ren…

I would expect he's 6 months behind. That's exactly how much lag the open models have versus the frontier models, and have consistently the last 2-3 years. The question is, how far ahead will the frontier models be in 6 months? if it's still 6 months, open weights might have a fable equivalent model, and the frontier models will be on upwards towards ... essay, or novel, or bibliography, or whatever the next name is.

After a point, does it matter? Even assuming that models can keep getting smarter indefinitely, it's not like you need to use the smartest model to get the job done.

Moore's law is dead now, so at some threshold purchasing the GPUs to run the biggest and newest model hurts you more than whatever rent you could've extracted from it.

When we get there, why would you want to run a closed model that you can't control, with restrictions you can't remove, that a company can take from you or silently nerf without telling you?

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by kingkongjaffa »

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO.

Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around?

You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers.

someone further down wrote

> Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology.

What a weird thing to say. It's not a team sport where you support 'sides'.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by weregiraffe »

euleriancon wrote: post #80
nozzlegear wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI is a convenient myth that the big American AI companies use to continue breathlessly marketing their products to the people and intellectuals who would, under any other circumstance, consider themselves rational and immune to such tricks.

Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot. I've been in NLP since the LSTM days and it's hard for me to look at LLMs and not just think they are incredible. It's truly a different level of expressiveness. So much of capabilities research is pointing to LLMs effectively learning a world model. RLVR is also proving really effective. It is h…

If AGI is near, why Tesla still doesn't have real FSD?

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by throwa356262 »

AgentMasterRace wrote: post #9
kranke155 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

Gemini is super bad, grok is actually superior most of the time and that's saying something because grok also sucks.

Username checks out.

More seriously, Grok has serious problem with bias. Since its an activist model its judgment cannot be trusted.

Example: ask 50 different models if Elon Musk should be elected as the next US president. 49 will tell you this cannot happen since he was born South African. One will tell you this is an excellent idea.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by manc_lad »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #113

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO. Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around? You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers. someone further down wrote > Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology…

this is a natural human trait. soap operas, sports, businesses, music.

there are also real implications. assuming money is not the only factor in moving to anthropic, it does help guide insight into where innovation might be and where to put your AI spend. a decision which could result in real returns for individuals and companies.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by angoragoats »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #113

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO. Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around? You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers. someone further down wrote > Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology…

It’s annoying that the headline gives no context of who Jumper is, as if everyone is expected to know.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by xnx »

staticman2 wrote: post #76
xnx wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They almost certainly wanted 3.5 Pro out for Google IO a few weeks ago. They're still crunching on it. No ETA given. Would be fascinating to read about the behind the scenes stories (failed training run?) if they ever get told.

They did give an ETA. They said 3.5 Pro would come out in June.

Ah! Thank you. I missed that.
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