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Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

The economics of working at a pre-IPO company that will likely have a successful IPO and a 20+ year post-IPO company are also very different.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

The economics of working at a pre-IPO company that will likely have a successful IPO and a 20+ year post-IPO company are also very different.

in theory the IPO pricing is already set

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology. They are insanely stacked on talent, and either we will witness a legendary run, or a new LTCM

Apart from Karpathy and now Shazeer and Jumper, who are the other top ICs in their team?

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Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

you can't know if an improvement is just due to compute, this was a lesson of the early scaling, the whole emergence phenomena, new capabilities emerge even only from more compute & data

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Something seems afoot at Google. The real tell will be if Demis makes a move. Jeff Dean seems more like a lifer to me.

I just think that people are running to pre IPO Anthropic to make bank.

It also feels like Anthropic is the new Google though. They actually try to not be evil, and are actually at the frontier of new tech.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

They almost certainly wanted 3.5 Pro out for Google IO a few weeks ago. They're still crunching on it. No ETA given. Would be fascinating to read about the behind the scenes stories (failed training run?) if they ever get told.

They did give an ETA. They said 3.5 Pro would come out in June.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

#77

Shazeer yesterday and Jumper today....Demis is there something we need to know about?

Shazeer is mostly an IC, weirdly enough (source: I worked with him).

Demis is the CEO of DeepMind, it's completely different.

Jumper.. the AlphaFold team left & made Isomorphic. I was always surprised that Jumper hadn't gone with them.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you go into a bit more detail about what exactly it is that you are predicting? This is interesting, and definitely cuts against the grain that the rest of these comments are going with.

A lot depends on whether the z.ai CEO, who just released the first freely-available Opus-class model weights, is blowing smoke when he claims he's less than a year away from achieving Fable-level performance. If he walks the talk, I really do not understand how either OpenAI or Anthropic is going to justify the twelve-digit valuations they are hoping for. They will just be some people who bought a domain name and ren…

I would expect he's 6 months behind. That's exactly how much lag the open models have versus the frontier models, and have consistently the last 2-3 years.

The question is, how far ahead will the frontier models be in 6 months? if it's still 6 months, open weights might have a fable equivalent model, and the frontier models will be on upwards towards ... essay, or novel, or bibliography, or whatever the next name is.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Something seems afoot at Google. The real tell will be if Demis makes a move. Jeff Dean seems more like a lifer to me.

Maybe this a a naive take but I see Demis as future Google CEO candidate. If AI is really the future, he is much better suited to lead the company.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Anthropic is probably approaching AGI, and everyone wants to be there for it

AGI is a convenient myth that the big American AI companies use to continue breathlessly marketing their products to the people and intellectuals who would, under any other circumstance, consider themselves rational and immune to such tricks.

Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot.

I've been in NLP since the LSTM days and it's hard for me to look at LLMs and not just think they are incredible. It's truly a different level of expressiveness. So much of capabilities research is pointing to LLMs effectively learning a world model.

RLVR is also proving really effective. It is hard for me to imagine a world in the future where LLMs aren't at human level performance across a wide variety of tasks.

I fully acknowledge that current LLM labs have a financial interest in people believing AGI is very near, but from what I'm reading in the literature and seeing myself experimenting with the SOTA models it doesn't seem totally unreasonable.

What evidence are you seeing that makes you confident that AGI in the soon-ish future is a complete myth?

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