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From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by Aurornis »

mirabilis wrote: post #54

I’m really not liking the prospective combination of a bunch of independently managed collections of driver’s license scans with no especial guarantee of security across the disparate spread of vendors struggling to remain compliant with layered sets of state and country based laws + the increasing ease of identity theft or of at least “grandma, please send me bail money, I’ll even call you over Facetime and prove it…

We really need to start discussing these laws by what they’re requiring. Too many people see “law bans kids from social media” and get excited because they think kids shouldn’t use social media, but they don’t read far enough into the details to see that the law actually requires sites to ID check all users to accomplish the stated goal.

Even the phrase “social media site” is a problem for these conversations because a lot of people don’t consider themselves as using social media. Yet we’re seeing laws start to cover YouTube and Reddit and companies like Discord are self-imposing age checks for features through an ID gating process. Once people start realizing that these laws are going to have broad impacts to internet sites they use, they will become much less popular.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

Why is this Reuters article the same one as 4 days ago but different date? Doesn't even include additional developments like Canada.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/australia-europe-co... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48539393)

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by inigyou »

Aurornis wrote: post #59

The only way to force sites to exclude children is to have them ID everyone. This is why forcing each site to restrict access is a terrible idea. It’s a backdoor to destroying everyone’s privacy. What we really need is for each of these sites to advertise its category or age targets, similar to how TV shows have a rating. Then end user devices like phones and browsers should have the option of setting parental contro…

Sounds very similar to the California bill that passed a few months ago - the one HN absolutely hated. The person who does device initial setup says whether the account is a child or adult, and transmits this to websites so they can block the content appropriately. (The site transmitting a rating doesn't work because most sites that aren't porn sites have mixed content )https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47181208

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by phatfish »

kdheiwns wrote: post #18
soco wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the people's rights to lure and attack my children? It's not a rhetorical question, it is exactly what is currently happening (and not only with children but okay).

If you're letting your kids be lured and attacked, that's a parenting issue. Responsible parents aren't letting their kids slip out alone. The better solution to this would be some sort of penalty for irresponsible parenting.

I know this is a personal question, but i see this type of comment here so often, and it is hilariously naive. Do you have children?

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Post by pcrh »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #57
pcrh wrote: post #27

Would someone be able to comment on this: Why is it not possible to require websites that wish to market to children to be certified as "child safe". Such sites would be audited by an independent entity that would grant them some form of encrypted key. These could be in age bands, e.g. We do this for many other things, from toys to public venues. Parents could then set their child's device to only allow access to sit…

That sounds somewhat like what Canada is trying to do. Its bill makes certain types of content unavailable to people under the age of 16. Canadian kids will be able to access social media, as long as that site has effective means to prevent bullying and similar restrictions. https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/safe-soc... I doubt any sites are actually going to comply, so it'll be ban in practice.

It would be a ban only to children. "Addictive" sites without certification could still be accessed by those who are no longer their parent's responsibility.

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Post by inigyou »

mirabilis wrote: post #54

I’m really not liking the prospective combination of a bunch of independently managed collections of driver’s license scans with no especial guarantee of security across the disparate spread of vendors struggling to remain compliant with layered sets of state and country based laws + the increasing ease of identity theft or of at least “grandma, please send me bail money, I’ll even call you over Facetime and prove it…

That's why we need to push for solutions that preserve privacy while also reducing child predation. I've always thought the California solution was quite good, but HN disagrees. Here's what you need for a complete compliant implementation of the California law (plus the provision that only root can change account birth dates): https://monolith-project.org/blog/age-verification/

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by pcrh »

mike50 wrote: post #37
pcrh wrote: post #27

Would someone be able to comment on this: Why is it not possible to require websites that wish to market to children to be certified as "child safe". Such sites would be audited by an independent entity that would grant them some form of encrypted key. These could be in age bands, e.g. We do this for many other things, from toys to public venues. Parents could then set their child's device to only allow access to sit…

Example I'm running my personal academic website and I research something like human sexuality or transgender people how will this be enforced since the website is just one person? Remember people in high school have been credited authors on research papers.

How many 10 yr olds are going to read a academic article on transgender studies?

And if they are curious about the question, it would be better if they found sources that frame the issue appropriately for their age.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by inigyou »

pcrh wrote: post #27

Would someone be able to comment on this: Why is it not possible to require websites that wish to market to children to be certified as "child safe". Such sites would be audited by an independent entity that would grant them some form of encrypted key. These could be in age bands, e.g. We do this for many other things, from toys to public venues. Parents could then set their child's device to only allow access to sit…

https://monolith-project.org/blog/age-verification/

The California law might interest you (but with reverse data flow - the way you proposed doesn't work because most websites have mixed content)

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Post by inigyou »

beloch wrote: post #61
pcrh wrote: post #27

Would someone be able to comment on this: Why is it not possible to require websites that wish to market to children to be certified as "child safe". Such sites would be audited by an independent entity that would grant them some form of encrypted key. These could be in age bands, e.g. We do this for many other things, from toys to public venues. Parents could then set their child's device to only allow access to sit…

1. A tech solution like this is unlikely to work since kids will be highly motivated to circumvent it and will likely be more tech savvy than their parents. 2. Leaving whether or not to allow social media use up to parental discretion creates a situation where some kids get permission to use social media and the rest use it anyways because of peer pressure. 3. If tackling the problem from the side of children and par…

It doesn't have to work 100%, just add enough friction. We bypassed game site blocks in IT class but we felt dodgy about it and did our work most of the time.
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