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Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by EspadaV9 »

Lio wrote: post #194
moooo99 wrote: post #70

It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation. I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now…

I've had the same Golf since I bought it new in 2014. I like my Golf, so it should be an easy sale for VW to sell me a replacement. However, VW just seem to make gaff after gaff. Collecting information they shouldn't, exposing information they shouldn't have to hackers via lax security practices. How many rakes can a company step on? Now, they're blocking GapheneOS? They've got two hopes of selling me another 'Dub. (…

I've had a Golf from new since 2016. I love it. It's the only car I bought new (only car I've ever bought actually), and wanted one since renting cars when I lived in the UK (had no need to own a car (cycle/public transport), so only rented as needed). I recently started looking for at EVs just to be prepared in a few years and know where things are at, and I honestly doubt I would get an VW car now. Unfortunately, I'm not expecting there to be anything much better, with most companies locking things down more and more, adding more tracking, etc.. Perhaps it'll just be better to buy a several year old EV.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by hwj »

this_user wrote: post #90
moooo99 wrote: post #70

It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation. I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now…

German companies, especially old school industrial ones like VW, have a very hard time understanding open platforms. The view everything through the lense of liability and compliance first. Their thinking is that if someone runs their app on a custom ROM and uses that to manipulate the app in any way, and that causes some extremely hypothetical damage, that they might be held liable for not having prevented this situ…

This even has a name: German Angst.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by virgilp »

frollogaston wrote: post #462
virgilp wrote: post #395

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So do other drivers that fail to switch to low beams - even my old car was better than me in switching to low beams.

Nobody had ever angrily flashed their lights at me until the first time I drove a new car with automatic lights. On one occasion blasted someone 50-100' away, which there's no way I've ever done. There's a long dark road I drive on often where every time there's at least one car I can tell left its brights on too long, and it's blinding.

Perhaps you're a better-than-average driver? I unfortunately am not, and have had the opposite experience (people flashing me because I forgot to turn off the high beams, or couldn't do it fast enough due to e.g. a corner, or drinking water with that hand, or whatever). In long straight lines it's relatively easy to do it, on windy roads not so much. On the other hand, with current car I don't remember anybody flashing me.

Personally, I just developed a strategy for dealing with too-bright-incoming-lights: just focus on the right edge of the road - that takes my eyes off the lights, and it's where the danger lies anyway. With that, late-commuting vehicles are a lot less of a nuisance than people who just have poorly tuned low beams or simply keep high beams on always. And those problems/ people are unrelated to the "automatic commute" technology - arguably the tech improves things on that front, even in the not-so-great implementations.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by rickdeckard »

LtWorf wrote: post #454
rickdeckard wrote: post #452

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> Why shouldn’t software be treated with the same rigor at Volkswagen scale? No one said that it shouldn't. What I wrote is, that the approach of minimizing any SURFACE of risk in software creates the (subjectively good and solid) software of previous car-generations (in Volkswagen terms: MIB2 ~ a bit downhill already in MIB3): A solid, predictable and closed product fulfilling its core use-case. But it DOESN'T creat…

It's considered premium until you see the amount of recalls they do for important things like brakes braking and wheels staying attached to the car. https://www.go-parts.com/garage/brake-pedal-tesla-cybertruck... https://www.tparts.com/blogs/tesla-latest-news/tesla-issues-... https://tesorb.com/cybertruck-rwd-recall-173-wheel-stud/

Apparently I need to clarify, as it's not obvious from my previous comments: _I_ don't consider Tesla premium at all, it is NOT a premium hardware company.

It's bad quality hardware hiding behind an cleaner engine and some software features.

It is EXACTLY the product of a hardware company which keeps treating hardware-production like it's software, as described above.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by dzhiurgis »

moooo99 wrote: post #463
dzhiurgis wrote: post #451

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Insane take for HN. It's either Rivian or Tesla. Zeekr is getting up there too, but Tesla is going to be leader for ages - most car availability, easiest to service, most hackable software, best in class privacy, tons of third party options.

I am in Germany, so even if I was in the market for a truck (which I am absolutely not), Rivian does not have vehicles here. Beyond the politics involving Tesla, I just do not like the car. I had a Test ride with a Model Y and it just was not a good experience. I hate the touchscreen centered everything, etc. Beyond that, I just want a compact vehicle, which Tesla simply does not offer. Given Tesla‘s features like th…

I guess if small car is more important than actually hackable smart cart - then I get you. Rivian will be bringing R2 across the world FWIW.

I'm dealing with my parents Kona EV right now and I can't help but cringe how out dated it feels. Three buttons just to start the car and I need to lock it myself. FFS. And that's on top of myriad of reliability issues.

I get it, Tesla has a bad omen for some who mingle deep in far left. But from technical standpoint it is incredibly well executed. Its touchscreen is second to none. Climate is easier to use than hardware buttons on many cars. It can be intimidating at first, simply because people assume you'll be fiddling with it all the time, but it's simply not the case.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by jesterson »

bjackman wrote: post #430
jesterson wrote: post #415

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> I'm curious: what is the sensible choice for technical people with a reasonable amount of money? I am probably the extreme minority, but I prefer cars with as little "tech" as possible. I don't need "drive assist" and sorts. All my cars are 10+ old benzes, Nissans, Toyotas. All under good maintenance routine so giving me very little headache. I had all sorts of stupid issues with modern cars while renting. One toyo…

The "driving" tech I want in my car is: - Cruise control. - Camera for parking. I guess sensors too. These are just unbelievaly useful IMO, it makes parking trivial in cases that used to require quite intense focus. I see the appeal of fully automated parking, but with cameras and a car that you have lots of experience parking I think I am fine Austin-Powers-ing into any space that the car physically fits into. - I g…

I totally agree. This "tech" has been out there for decades, at least for Benz. Perhaps even long enough not to be called the tech :)

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by jp191919 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #475
moooo99 wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Germany, so even if I was in the market for a truck (which I am absolutely not), Rivian does not have vehicles here. Beyond the politics involving Tesla, I just do not like the car. I had a Test ride with a Model Y and it just was not a good experience. I hate the touchscreen centered everything, etc. Beyond that, I just want a compact vehicle, which Tesla simply does not offer. Given Tesla‘s features like th…

I guess if small car is more important than actually hackable smart cart - then I get you. Rivian will be bringing R2 across the world FWIW. I'm dealing with my parents Kona EV right now and I can't help but cringe how out dated it feels. Three buttons just to start the car and I need to lock it myself. FFS. And that's on top of myriad of reliability issues. I get it, Tesla has a bad omen for some who mingle deep in…

Tesla has been the benchmark for a long time. Longer than I thought they would be actually.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by moooo99 »

theeyescanner wrote: post #313
moooo99 wrote: post #70

It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation. I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now…

Uh the driving assist is pretty bad for north american roads. I wonder if Germany has immaculately painted and well maintained roads? My buzz loves trying to jerk the steering wheel when it can't figure out how the lanes work.

I have had some fairly challenging trios and the travel assist did a very good job, even at autobahn construction sites (which we have plenty of).

No clue how much vehicle generations affect this performance tho. Since they were rentals, all the vehicles were pretty new

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by moooo99 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #277
moooo99 wrote: post #244

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I've test driven pretty much all VW brands (that fall within my budget) and thus far, the Cupra Born has been my favorite. I have test driven the Kia EV4 and EV3, but I am not a huge fan. I do not enjoy the look of the EV3 and while the EV4 was a nice drive, I kept bumping my leg against the direction selector (which is below the handle for the wipers; But this is a huge nitpick since I am fairly tall, so not really…

Been mostly interested in ev6. Just compared insurance cost and Polestar 2 was almost double. Born was also 50% more than kia ev4. Maybe different in the us if you are there?

No, located in Germany here.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by Toutouxc »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #475
moooo99 wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Germany, so even if I was in the market for a truck (which I am absolutely not), Rivian does not have vehicles here. Beyond the politics involving Tesla, I just do not like the car. I had a Test ride with a Model Y and it just was not a good experience. I hate the touchscreen centered everything, etc. Beyond that, I just want a compact vehicle, which Tesla simply does not offer. Given Tesla‘s features like th…

I guess if small car is more important than actually hackable smart cart - then I get you. Rivian will be bringing R2 across the world FWIW. I'm dealing with my parents Kona EV right now and I can't help but cringe how out dated it feels. Three buttons just to start the car and I need to lock it myself. FFS. And that's on top of myriad of reliability issues. I get it, Tesla has a bad omen for some who mingle deep in…

> I get it, Tesla has a bad omen for some who mingle deep in far left

That doesn’t sound like you get it at all.

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