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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by d3Xt3r »

microtonal wrote: post #278
d3Xt3r wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not GP, but Volla phones are cool in that they officially support running proper Linux[1], so you could just use Linux instead of Android if that's enough for your needs. And you can still boot into their de-Googled Android if you need to run Android apps. [1] https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/

Volla just Eurowashes/rebadges other low to midrange phones at a huge markup. E.g., the Volla Phone Quintus is: https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-M... (If you don't believe it from the identical specs and design, you can look at the committers in their kernel trees and it is basically maintained by Daria people.) Their new Plinius model is just the Gigaset GS6 with a 250 Euro markup: https://…

It takes more than an unlocked bootloader to make Linux boot on random phones and work properly (and ensuring all the radios, camera, audio, phone calls etc work), and Volla have achieved that with their phones. I could be wrong, but I don't think it was possible to get a fully functional Linux distro going on any of these rebadged phones before Volla got to them.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by hellcow »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #292
portly wrote: post #272

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I did this half a year ago and it was fine for me. One of the benefits is of course privacy. For instance, I noticed that ads get completely out of touch which proved to me that I'm being tracked less. Also never have that feeling anymore that my phone is spying on me.

Any iPhone user with a measure of privacy knowledge will experience the same. I'm using NextDNS for DNS level ad blocking as well as iOS built in tools, and I get ads for women's hygiene products (I'm male), travel, dining, server parts, cars, and everything in between. The main difference between Android and iOS is (or used to be?) that Android typically phones home with everything, frequently visited locations, cal…

Apple still pushes ads to you. I can't recall how many times I saw ads in the App Store, and how many times they tried to push me into subscribing to whatever nonsense their executives' KPIs demanded (Apple Arcade+? News+? Music+?). No matter how many times I told Apple "No," they just kept pushing it. And now ads are coming to Apple Maps as well.

GrapheneOS has zero ads in the OS and main services.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by someguyornotidk »

handedness wrote: post #143
lucb1e wrote: post #91

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Does GrapheneOS run on tablets? I don't see a whole chat app (shown in the example) fitting on my phone screen alongside something like a web browser, and the screenshot is from a square screen

It's complicated. The Tensor G2 Pixel tablet was a solid device, and you can still buy it new from Google (with no choice on color or size in my country), but production has been discontinued and the two direct generational successors were canceled, in sequence. First it was skipping a generation, then it was canceling it entirely. The rumored "Pro" version also appears to have been axed. I've used mine daily since i…

> production has been discontinued and the two direct generational successors were canceled, in sequence. First it was skipping a generation, then it was canceling it entirely. The rumored "Pro" version also appears to have been axed.

Pity. Genuine pity. Guess I'll continue using my 5 year-old out-of-support device until someone decides to make a decent GrapheneOS-compatible tablet with stylus pen support. If it breaks, I'll just go back to notebooks.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Scrounger »

OtomotO wrote: post #257
sivers wrote: post #20

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Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my ph…

What about banking Apps? No problem there? Some of them have ridiculous secur... compliance rules.

> What about banking Apps? No problem there?

Most banking apps work, but Google Pay/NFC payments won't work.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Scrounger »

qurren wrote: post #234
drnick1 wrote: post #108

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> I'm not looking to fully de-Google but I want Google as apps and not my OS. This is entirely possible as other posters have explained. But I think it kind of defeats the point of Graphene, at least somewhat. Google is already profiling every aspect of your life by reading your emails, files, calendar, location, etc? In that case, OS access becomes moot. I think that GrapheneOS makes most sense as part of a broader…

> In that case, OS access becomes moot. Not really. 1. A non-Google OS can shut off background running access to Google apps, as well as supply Google apps with mock location data and other data 2. Google does other things to the OS that drive me nuts. Like allowing apps to restrict screenshots. I own the phone. If I want a screenshot, it should screenshot. This is not something for apps or Google to determine, and i…

> Like allowing apps to restrict screenshots. I own the phone. If I want a screenshot, it should screenshot. This is not something for apps or Google to determine, and if the OS listens to me (not the app) it should allow screenshotting the display 100% of the time regardless of what the app cries about.

PREACH!

I hate this.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by microtonal »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #311
microtonal wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Volla just Eurowashes/rebadges other low to midrange phones at a huge markup. E.g., the Volla Phone Quintus is: https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-M... (If you don't believe it from the identical specs and design, you can look at the committers in their kernel trees and it is basically maintained by Daria people.) Their new Plinius model is just the Gigaset GS6 with a 250 Euro markup: https://…

It takes more than an unlocked bootloader to make Linux boot on random phones and work properly (and ensuring all the radios, camera, audio, phone calls etc work), and Volla have achieved that with their phones. I could be wrong, but I don't think it was possible to get a fully functional Linux distro going on any of these rebadged phones before Volla got to them.

Volla is just forwarding the trees made available by their upstream ODMs. E.g. Gigaset publishes them:

https://github.com/Gigaset-dev

I am not sure about the Daria Bond, but in Ubuntu Touch (which seems one of the very few Linux systems that supports the Daria Bond, ahem, Quintus), most of it seems to be the work of LineageOS developers (probably for generic Mediatek support, since it's a run-off-the-mill Mediatek phone), with some changes from Daria people on top of it.

So, I think you are giving credit to Volla that should go to the upstream ODMs and Lineage.

Or just go to the Volla about page:

https://volla.online/en/about/

It's just sales, marketing, and customer support people.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by elAhmo »

wraptile wrote: post #227
matheusmoreira wrote: post #106

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> Pixel phones are not sold worldwide Still boggles my mind the fact Google doesn't sell their phones worldwide. Obtaining a Pixel has proven to be quite difficult for me.

Not only obtaining but if you ever need warranty you're done. Just last week I went to a Samsung center and had my fold 6 fixed in 30 minutes, and these centers are everywhere around the world. Same thing with Apple, yet a 4.5 trillion dollar company can't ship and maintain a phone globally. It's so unserious.

They definitely can, they just don't want to.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by orthoxerox »

lifeisgood99 wrote: post #21

What are North American people doing for replacing contactless payment? Last time I checked, the solution was to use Curve but it only works for Europe.

I am not North American, but instead of Google Pay I use my bank's app for contactless payments.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by strcat »

iririririr wrote: post #22

permanent reminder that graphene and all other "alternatives to android" depend on extracted binary blobs. tons of them. which is the reason new (kernel) versions are such a chore/achievement.

The kernel drivers are fully open source and moving to new kernel branches is a standard part of the update process. Pixels are currently moving from 6.1 and 6.6 to 6.12 with Android 17 QPR2. This is part of the hardware requirements for GrapheneOS listed here:

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

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