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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by domh »

binarin wrote: post #284
anonymousiam wrote: post #179

I took the plunge into GrapheneOS a week ago. I picked up a new Pixel10 Pro and never even tried the stock OS (except to unlock the boot loader). I've got almost everything working the way I want. There were a few non-essential banking apps that won't install. The most annoying problem I had is when I tried to install Strava, which I cannot get working. The app installs, but it will not let me sign in. I guess I need…

The most hilarious is McDonald's app - it refuses to work without Play Integrity check. I wonder what braindamaged reasoning is behind this. Do they want to position themselves as a bank or something?

Huh, it works just fine in the UK. Wonder if they have different builds (or completely different apps) for different regions. Or maybe it's the GrapheneOS compatibility layer that makes it work? Not sure.

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

portly wrote: post #272
Cub3 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you'd be taking on a lot of pain for no real benefits though?

I did this half a year ago and it was fine for me. One of the benefits is of course privacy. For instance, I noticed that ads get completely out of touch which proved to me that I'm being tracked less. Also never have that feeling anymore that my phone is spying on me.

Any iPhone user with a measure of privacy knowledge will experience the same.

I'm using NextDNS for DNS level ad blocking as well as iOS built in tools, and I get ads for women's hygiene products (I'm male), travel, dining, server parts, cars, and everything in between.

The main difference between Android and iOS is (or used to be?) that Android typically phones home with everything, frequently visited locations, calendar appointments, voice commands. On iOS most of that runs on-device. Siri voice to text/text to voice runs on device, various "ai" things in photos runs on-device, frequently visited locations are device local.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by teekert »

sivers wrote: post #20
jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my ph…

iOS is also going into this direction, just open the AppStore, it’s all the cheapest most horrible apps. Temu (shop like you don't give a s* about the planet), addictive AI Waifu’s (who needs human interaction anyway), clean your stuff but fake-time-wasting style (it's free dopamine!), search option’s first hit is often scammy (ie search for MS Authenticator). I feel that Steve ("If you want pr0n get an Android") would turn around in his grave from the sight of this.

Its just a matter of time before this cesspool will leak into the rest of the OS, AppStore shows us the temptation is too big for Apple. When my iPhone 12 mini dies it’s /e/OS or GrapheneOS for me. My devices should serve me and my thoughts are my own.

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Post by microtonal »

jordand wrote: post #11
mvdtnz wrote: post #6

So I still need to buy a Google phone to get it? No thank you.

Only silver lining to this is they run a lot of discounts and promotions on them, and it's possible to buy them at a significant discount. Got my first Pixel 10 on a very cheap contract with trade-in promos on top, and got a second Pixel 10 at a 70% discount from the RRP.

Watch out in the US though, apparently some carriers disable OEM Unlocking (so you cannot unlock your bootloader).

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Post by Markoff »

dlenski wrote: post #255
Sophira wrote: post #184

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While the OOBE of the stock image doesn't force an Internet connection, the ability to unlock the bootloader does - whether you can do it or not depends on the phone manufacturer's desire, and Android for some reason uses an Internet connection to check that. My understanding is that it is impossible to unlock the bootloader on a new recent (Android 7+ at least; possiblt earlier) Android phone until it has connected…

Yep, on older phones it was certainly possible without an Internet connection. On the Nexus 5, you could just `fastboot oem unlock` right out of the box, install TWRP (custom "recovery") and install CyanogenMod/LienageOS, without ever booting the stock ROM. On my Moto G4 Play and Moto X4, you had to get an unlock code from the Motorola website (based on the phone serial number I think) and waive some warranty terms,…

If it is any consolation it became intrusive on pretty much every single brand nowadays, if they at least offer bootloader unlocking option.

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Post by cyberax »

distances wrote: post #273
cyberax wrote: post #243

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I extracted a chip (by dissolving the plastic in acetone) from my card and glued it to the wriststrap of my Pebble watch :)

When using contactless payment with my card, about 10% of the time the payment terminal tells me to insert the card to the reader slot instead and enter my PIN. I assumed this is a general security feature, but I guess it depends on the issuing bank then. This in Europe.

Well, I still have a backup physical card. It just is annoying to get it out of my wallet.

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Post by Markoff »

flaburgan wrote: post #288
DarkUranium wrote: post #165

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Organic Maps is amazing. I actually find that it blows Google Maps out of the water for cycling (which is why/how I discovered it). I haven't really used it for driving much because my own car has a builtin nav, so can't really comment on that. YMMV of course.

Organic Maps has been forked to CoMaps as a community managed project btw

TIL there has been some drama about Organic Maps, what is the difference between OM and CoMaps?

Left from Maps.me to OM because of drama and intrusive features, do I need to leave OM for CM?

edit: seems CM shouldnt have that annoying gift icon

edit 2: CoMaps doesn't display (colored) hiking trails, so completely useless compared to Organic Maps, also can't even display tram lines after tapping on tram stop in Prague

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by nicman23 »

jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

yeah the pixel 10 pro - which i have - only saving grace is graphene..

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by throawayonthe »

bigiain wrote: post #248

I have two questions, if anyone has any advice. 1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage? 2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's co…

1) any currently-supported device is good, but i'd say go for minimum pixel 8a if you can

it ships with Memory Tagging Extensions (armv9 security feature) and two more years of support than previous generations; pixel 7 might be eol in oct 2027 https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime

official recommendation page: https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices

2) there is no real graphene alternative for other devices. I would say DivestOS at least made sane compromises to support less secure devices, but it's unfortunately defunct now. Yes lineage is still around and still the go-to clean 'ROM' but far from security focused. just avoid stuff like /e/ os

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Post by Cider9986 »

dns_snek wrote: post #283
Cider9986 wrote: post #231

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No, if you install the Google camera there is no difference in quality and by revoking network you don't lose privacy.

> by revoking network you don't lose privacy Be careful, apps can still communicate with other apps, e.g. revoking the network permission doesn't stop apps from fetching and displaying ads over the network. I don't know enough about Android internals to understand the mechanisms behind it, but clearly there are ways for apps to exfiltrate data. > Trying to use Network as a complete data exfiltration toggle isn't the…

I don't have any Google or closed source apps with network permission, but thank you for sharing that quote I haven't seen that before.
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