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Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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> my manager has no idea who I am, nor what I’m working on, and I’ve never met them despite me being on the team for nearly two months. This is the fast track to being next in a round of layoffs. If your manager does not know you, they won’t vouch for you when it comes time to toss people out of the airlock. You are in a vulnerable position.

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Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Is Meta the same story as Twitter? Two companies with way more highly paid engineers that are needed to maintain a mature social platform and ad network? Funny how both reorgs were done in about the most expensive way imaginable. Twitter through overpriced acquisition, and Facebook through technological adventurism.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if your only business is selling ads to scammers to prey on the elderly? Don’t forget failed, mentally ill, manic rebrands that cost billions and go nowhere. Oh, and enabling human traffickers.

the ceo of a former company I was at demanded a rebrand like 6 months after our internal rebrand. Cost ~500k-800k USD. Turned out he was schtupping the vp of the design company (his wife told the admin assistant during the divorce)

I wouldn't be surprised if a much larger proportion of big business and politics boiled down to this

Yeah there's lots of ethics rules and stuff about it but we've seen how little the upper class cares about that

Whenever a big business deal goes down, I tend to assume someone's getting sex or money out of the deal

Frankly there's already just so much corruption that we know about and it seems unlikely we know about all of it or even most of it

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

I believe it, because it makes a kind of sense. Post-training has a huge impact on how well LLMs perform, and labeled data is what determines the effectiveness of post-training. This is why companies like Anthropic are so worried about distillation. So if you have access to a large number of highly skilled people, and you really don't absolutely need them to do other things, why wouldn't you force data labeling tasks…

Because you can just get rid of all those people and do the data labeling tasks for 1/4 the cost?

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it, because it makes a kind of sense. Post-training has a huge impact on how well LLMs perform, and labeled data is what determines the effectiveness of post-training. This is why companies like Anthropic are so worried about distillation. So if you have access to a large number of highly skilled people, and you really don't absolutely need them to do other things, why wouldn't you force data labeling tasks…

Because you can just get rid of all those people and do the data labeling tasks for 1/4 the cost?

unironically if those engineers were considered to be 'bloat' its better to have them label data because they are smarter and vetted

basically a soft layoff

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

I believe it, because it makes a kind of sense. Post-training has a huge impact on how well LLMs perform, and labeled data is what determines the effectiveness of post-training. This is why companies like Anthropic are so worried about distillation. So if you have access to a large number of highly skilled people, and you really don't absolutely need them to do other things, why wouldn't you force data labeling tasks…

Do the skills these people have overlap with the skills needed for a good data labeler? I'm guessing being a domain expert is most valuable as a data labeler.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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> my manager has no idea who I am, nor what I’m working on, and I’ve never met them despite me being on the team for nearly two months. This is the fast track to being next in a round of layoffs. If your manager does not know you, they won’t vouch for you when it comes time to toss people out of the airlock. You are in a vulnerable position.

At some point the layoff is probably the preferred outcome.
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