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Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by vinni2 »

djeastm wrote: post #6
fabian2k wrote: post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

>using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources Would it? It seems like they can spend a few months extracting intelligence and "taste" from their engineers then get years worth of it back from the AI.

Unless they collude and hatch a plan to sabotage the LLM training.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

#12

Post by webdood90 »

jatora wrote: post #9
webdood90 wrote: post #7

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Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline. We cant all work in the forest like you. you realize that the majority of engineering positions at meta in fact arent dealing with the knobs and levers of manipulation? do you have no pity for the coal plant worker who supports his family while working for a company that p…

You can have a fulfilling and rewarding career in tech without working for a monster.

The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions are hilarious. Just admit you have no morals and love money.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by kxxx »

fabian2k wrote: post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

Zuck literally said that he wants folks with higher intelligence on the Applied Intelligence team. And the best way to do that was to move folks internally, since they were "intelligent" enough to pass the Meta interviews.

Soooo, yes it is a waste of resources ($$$). But this was the initial intention.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by monster_truck »

fabian2k wrote: post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

The belief that engineers are not doing anything for x amount of time that could be better spent on other immediately measurable things is as old as the profession itself.

Ironically this vanishes when the tables are turned and we ask for things like better hardware or software. There are plenty of us here with stories of how much effort it took to convince employers that SSDs were worth it when they were new, small, and very expensive.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by jatora »

webdood90 wrote: post #12
jatora wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline. We cant all work in the forest like you. you realize that the majority of engineering positions at meta in fact arent dealing with the knobs and levers of manipulation? do you have no pity for the coal plant worker who supports his family while working for a company that p…

You can have a fulfilling and rewarding career in tech without working for a monster. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions are hilarious. Just admit you have no morals and love money.

so meta employees have no morals? lol. gotcha. the world must be very simple to people with black and white thinking.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by conradfr »

fabian2k wrote: post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

It's only until Cold Harbor is completed.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by monster_truck »

vinni2 wrote: post #11
djeastm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources Would it? It seems like they can spend a few months extracting intelligence and "taste" from their engineers then get years worth of it back from the AI.

Unless they collude and hatch a plan to sabotage the LLM training.

Are there any examples of this actually working? I keep seeing this fantasy repeated but have not seen a plausible explanation for how they wouldn't be contibuting to the pile of negative examples which are just as valuable if not more.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by anonymars »

jatora wrote: post #9
webdood90 wrote: post #7

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Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline. We cant all work in the forest like you. you realize that the majority of engineering positions at meta in fact arent dealing with the knobs and levers of manipulation? do you have no pity for the coal plant worker who supports his family while working for a company that p…

> Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline

This seems like a fancily dressed up "fuck you, got mine"

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