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Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by entropyie »

jatora wrote: post #9
webdood90 wrote: post #7

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Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline. We cant all work in the forest like you. you realize that the majority of engineering positions at meta in fact arent dealing with the knobs and levers of manipulation? do you have no pity for the coal plant worker who supports his family while working for a company that p…

What an obnoxious comparison. Any engineer good enough to get into Meta has had their pick of tech jobs for the past decade. They could easily live comfortably, but less well paid, working for a myriad of less exploitative tech companies. Your average coal plant worker had no such options.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by anonymars »

jatora wrote: post #25
anonymars wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ya god forbid people want to have careers at leading tech companies so they can have a more abundant life built by their skillsets and discipline This seems like a fancily dressed up "fuck you, got mine"

I dont work at meta by the way. I just dislike the fake moral front that commenter is parading around to make themselves feel better.

> Your shallow morals are disgusting

Something sure seems to have touched a nerve. Maybe next time count to 10 first?

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by fusslo »

tennfown wrote: post #26
peanut-walrus wrote: post #23

Turns out you don't actually need top-tier engineering talent if your only business is selling ads to scammers to prey on the elderly?

> if your only business is selling ads to scammers to prey on the elderly? Don’t forget failed, mentally ill, manic rebrands that cost billions and go nowhere. Oh, and enabling human traffickers.

the ceo of a former company I was at demanded a rebrand like 6 months after our internal rebrand. Cost ~500k-800k USD.

Turned out he was schtupping the vp of the design company (his wife told the admin assistant during the divorce)

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

fabian2k wrote: post #4

> 30-50% of engineers on core teams have been forcefully reassigned to data labeling and RLHF, upsetting folks even more. This really doesn't sound believable to me, but who knows with all the craziness going on. Software developers in the US are seriously expensive, using them for data labeling would be a waste of resources. And the percentage sounds very high, unless "core teams" is only a small subset of the total…

I believe it, because it makes a kind of sense. Post-training has a huge impact on how well LLMs perform, and labeled data is what determines the effectiveness of post-training. This is why companies like Anthropic are so worried about distillation.

So if you have access to a large number of highly skilled people, and you really don't absolutely need them to do other things, why wouldn't you force data labeling tasks on them?

Facebook is also planning a 10% layoff, so this also works as encouragement for people to leave voluntarily.

(Before you downvote me, note that I'm not endorsing this or saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying that I believe it's true, because I can see how Facebook's leadership would think it's a good idea.)

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by pram »

bevekspldnw wrote: post #8

”I built the Torment Nexus and I’ll got was a few million dollars and this lousy job.”

Sure, the current Torment Nexus buildout might be a bubble. But just think: in 10 years we will already have all this torment infrastructure built, ready to use.

Re: Is Meta destroying its engineering organization?

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Post by klipklop »

_rsg3 wrote: post #17

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> my manager has no idea who I am, nor what I’m working on, and I’ve never met them despite me being on the team for nearly two months.

This is the fast track to being next in a round of layoffs. If your manager does not know you, they won’t vouch for you when it comes time to toss people out of the airlock. You are in a vulnerable position.

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